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welcome to a very special panel

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discussion i am so excited and deeply

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honored

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to be hosting this panel today which is

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titled conversations

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with eyewitnesses military encounters

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and i got

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so many of my own questions and

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questions from you

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the audience that these three gentlemen

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are gonna answer for you today

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so let's not waste any more time let's

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get to the panel discussion

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with gary voorhees jason turner and

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matthew roberts

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enjoy gentlemen first off i want to

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thank you for your service and i also

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want to thank you

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for coming to this very special panel

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discussion and

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i'm sure a lot of our audience are very

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familiar with the go fast the gimbal

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the tic tac videos but they may not be

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too familiar with each of your direct

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involvement in these events

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so today we're going to break that down

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we're going to get

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an idea of what you guys experience how

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it affected your lives

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first and foremost but before we do that

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i'd like to just get an idea of who you

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guys are um maybe tell us a little about

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yourselves

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and um your time uh in serving

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and maybe what your duties were so uh

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jason yeah if you don't mind man

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can you start yeah so yeah um i was on

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i served in the supply department as a

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logistics specialist my direct

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was there had been a

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computer chip that was ordered and i

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cess which is a ship signal exploitation

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and that's where i got to see the longer

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the whole uh tic tac encounter with um

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that he recorded on his uh on his

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gun camera right right and i mean the

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story goes from there and it kind of

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exploded into uh the mainstream ever

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and uh i know we have some questions

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about that extended video that you saw

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that we'll get to a little bit later um

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because that is a big source of

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contention you know we see this

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very limited video for the past few

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possibly seeing a much more clear

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definitely get to that but

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next uh gary would you mind telling us a

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little about your time

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in the navy what you did what your

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duties were and uh yeah give that to us

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ace or basic electronic school then a

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same suit in just about every branch

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um and so at the time uh all those

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beautiful pictures under the displays

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all my consoles that i used to have to

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the data recording for everything that

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technician so i ran

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system which was brand new to our fleet

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revolutionary at the time um

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and uh well the rest is pretty history

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and we'll get into it piece by piece

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yeah we will definitely get to that gary

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separate event and uh tell us a little

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matthew before we talk about the event

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itself uh your time in the service

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uh what do you got for us

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all right so i i joined the navy in 2004

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2015 that's where i was stationed

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theodore roosevelt i transferred to the

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four years shy of retirement

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um and that's about it i'd love to hear

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more about that i know that your your

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book that you wrote goes into a lot of

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why you left and everything that

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but uh let's talk about let's bring us

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to more present day guys

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um 2017 this huge story breaks in the

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we get these videos of the go fest the

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the tic tac and it just exploded all

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over the world and ever since then we

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new age it appears of ufo disclosure

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if you want to call it that and it's uh

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it's been pretty interesting but again

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you guys were there when these events

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is uh what was it like to finally

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go public what made you go public about

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being involved with these events and um

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past i don't know 16 years

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uh you know we've been we've been out

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about telling people you know and it's

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the stigma of the ufo the aliens the

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commander fravor

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uh come forward and start telling the

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a vindication because now it's not just

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me telling the story

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of what you know from my perspective now

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we're starting to get the story from

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each individual perspective throughout

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getting labeled as something and i think

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it's it's been really humbling yet at

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a relief to be able to talk about

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this without fear of being ridiculed

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social media has just it's a giant now

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that's awesome man yeah and i think

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is shedding and that's exciting you know

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you know kind of in the shadows i never

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brought it up at

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family gatherings but now you know i'm

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the ufo guy i'm loud and proud and i'm

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ready to like get out there and talk

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so that's really cool man um gary how

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what was it like going public and uh

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what did everyone around you think how

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did this affect your life

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when kevin the day

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called me he you know he says hey guy um

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did you see the news article then i'm

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what news article um not a bit not a

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very big

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periodical person so i don't really keep

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up with much to be honest with you

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uh and so he says they did they did an

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the thing that happened in 2004 and i

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mean he didn't even need to say anything

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really what'd they say yeah i want to

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you know like uh so he uh

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he linked the article and i read it and

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then uh he had asked well would you

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want to go on the record about this and

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signed something so i'm not even sure i

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can talk about it

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you know and he goes all right you know

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and he goes well would you mind going

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uh some people about it and then um

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important at least

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you know validate some of the story from

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commander fraver and

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from kevin day um about what happened

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um and then i had contacted some of my

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old chipmates

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uh that you know i worked directly with

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and said hey

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did we ever sign a non-disclosure he

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goes no the only thing we ever signed

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was just a chain of custody for the

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tapes and i'm like i brought you that

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you know so not even knowing that that

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was actually going to end up being a

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part of the story

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i uh then went back and said i can talk

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you know um

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yeah let's do this and then next thing

304
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you know we're invited to laughlin for

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our first public

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you know debut which i will never do

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another seven day con

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ever again no

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yeah i've been there no offense to the

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to the venue because i mean it's it's

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invading

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no offense to contact in the desert

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either the the venue the venue was

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was a beautiful hotel but there are

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certain things that are

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super legal there and we had a newborn

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and so we were like

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literally running around trying to get

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away from you know

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cigarette smoke and other smoke and you

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know so we uh

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we you know it was a little rough for us

323
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but either way i would i would it's

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still gone no matter what

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what had happened because uh ever since

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then uh

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you know there was a bond that was

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formed with you know jason and pj and

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kevin and dave and you know when i got

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back together with these guys

331
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it made everything better for me you

332
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know it kind of brought up

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like that that missing piece you know

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you're not nuts and

335
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you know all your real close friends

336
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when they hear your story that you know

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you trusted enough to even tell them

338
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you know they they they believe you

339
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believe something happened but you know

340
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it's a little too far-fetched for them

341
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to really believe that there was a ufo

342
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and then all of a sudden they're like um

343
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that's the thing you were talking about

344
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i'm like yup

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so it was actually real yup

346
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well what is it i'm like

347
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your guess is as good as mine i only

348
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know that it's real you know

349
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and so they uh they definitely uh

350
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it definitely changed it flipped the

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script and it felt good to be

352
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instead of you know kind of that

353
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ridiculous kind of weird guy that just

354
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kind of keeps to himself or

355
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gets angry about stupid things all the

356
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time or is unapproachable

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because apparently i uh to people that

358
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don't know me

359
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i am a bit unapproachable yeah i don't i

360
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don't understand that

361
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i don't get it either man you're one of

362
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the nicest guys i've ever seen come out

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of the navy for sure

364
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but it's uh you know i guess it's just

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because i work with these guys

366
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day in and day out we're not you know we

367
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don't have beers after work i'm i'm a

368
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i'm a wholehearted family guy so i'm

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literally

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it's it you know it's quarter to five

371
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and i'm like come on tick tock i need to

372
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get back to the house

373
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you know no overtime for this guy but

374
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yeah it uh it definitely changed

375
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everything it made things

376
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a lot better for me in my life awesome

377
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yeah and i would assume

378
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a sort of vindication you know i did uh

379
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interview kevin day the chief radar

380
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operator

381
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that was with you guys at the time and

382
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uh i remember him telling me the moment

383
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he saw the tic tac video on cnn

384
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go across the screen as he was working

385
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you know he dropped a plate of food and

386
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he almost started crying

387
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because he's like something he kept

388
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inside for years and years and finally

389
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like it's there people are talking about

390
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it i guess i was a little bit different

391
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because i didn't really need the

392
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vindication

393
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um but it was just nice to be able to

394
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openly talk about it

395
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and not have it be completely dismissed

396
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like as soon as you start talking about

397
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it that part was really nice for me

398
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that's awesome well matthew okay so um

399
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this

400
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is our first time hearing from you you

401
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know i've talked to these two gentlemen

402
00:14:44,550 --> 00:14:42,240
on separate occasions but um

403
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maybe give us an idea of uh your

404
00:14:48,470 --> 00:14:45,600
involvement

405
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with uh something that happened uh much

406
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more recently

407
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um and this was on the east coast if i'm

408
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correct off the uss

409
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uh roosevelt so if you don't mind could

410
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you tell us a little about

411
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um the event itself and how your

412
00:15:03,590 --> 00:15:01,440
involvement was with that

413
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and what made you finally decide that

414
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you wanted to start talking about it

415
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um yes so i mean my involvement in this

416
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wasn't very extensive uh so we had

417
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we had finished our workups off the

418
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coast of florida

419
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and uh we were sitting back kind of

420
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waiting for our debrief

421
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um because the work-up cycle is a big

422
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test um

423
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so we were waiting to be debriefed about

424
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you know how we did

425
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um and uh we waited

426
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and waited and waited and the debrief

427
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was not happening and i i didn't

428
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understand why

429
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but uh you know the next day after the

430
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after all the drills had finished

431
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uh i was sitting there waiting once

432
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again and

433
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um a buddy of mine walked in

434
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to ces who also works in intel

435
00:16:08,150 --> 00:16:05,279
and he kind of said hey

436
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you know check this out let's pull it up

437
00:16:12,470 --> 00:16:09,360
on your computer

438
00:16:15,910 --> 00:16:12,480
um so we pulled it up

439
00:16:17,110 --> 00:16:15,920
um and that was when i saw for the first

440
00:16:20,069 --> 00:16:17,120
time

441
00:16:21,990 --> 00:16:20,079
um what's known as the gimbal footage

442
00:16:25,269 --> 00:16:22,000
and the go fast footage uh

443
00:16:26,790 --> 00:16:25,279
both at the same time and so i thought

444
00:16:28,949 --> 00:16:26,800
it was like

445
00:16:29,910 --> 00:16:28,959
the most incredible thing i had ever

446
00:16:32,310 --> 00:16:29,920
seen

447
00:16:33,990 --> 00:16:32,320
you know but um there were a lot of

448
00:16:35,749 --> 00:16:34,000
people that i worked with that were very

449
00:16:40,389 --> 00:16:35,759
uninterested

450
00:16:44,470 --> 00:16:40,399
in what was happening and um

451
00:16:47,590 --> 00:16:44,480
i was just kind of mesmerized by it um

452
00:16:48,870 --> 00:16:47,600
i i just watched it over and over and

453
00:16:50,550 --> 00:16:48,880
over again

454
00:16:52,150 --> 00:16:50,560
trying to make sense of what i was

455
00:16:53,749 --> 00:16:52,160
seeing

456
00:16:55,269 --> 00:16:53,759
because i've seen this kind of footage

457
00:16:58,629 --> 00:16:55,279
before

458
00:17:02,069 --> 00:16:58,639
and this didn't look like anything

459
00:17:05,429 --> 00:17:02,079
i had ever seen before so i

460
00:17:08,549 --> 00:17:05,439
uh i didn't know what to make of it uh

461
00:17:11,189 --> 00:17:08,559
but i it was just hitting something

462
00:17:13,350 --> 00:17:11,199
inside me that was like this is this is

463
00:17:16,549 --> 00:17:13,360
very much out of the ordinary

464
00:17:19,510 --> 00:17:16,559
um and so uh

465
00:17:20,470 --> 00:17:19,520
you know i i went on about my life after

466
00:17:26,309 --> 00:17:20,480
that

467
00:17:28,309 --> 00:17:26,319
footage would ever see the light of day

468
00:17:29,350 --> 00:17:28,319
um so when the new york times article

469
00:17:33,110 --> 00:17:29,360
hit i was

470
00:17:37,669 --> 00:17:35,350
and being in intel and knowing that i

471
00:17:40,549 --> 00:17:37,679
first saw this behind closed doors

472
00:17:42,070 --> 00:17:40,559
in 2015 and i was you know i was still

473
00:17:44,150 --> 00:17:42,080
working at the office in naval

474
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intelligence so i had family members

475
00:17:47,430 --> 00:17:45,679
calling me saying hey

476
00:17:50,950 --> 00:17:47,440
you know what do you know about this and

477
00:17:54,230 --> 00:17:50,960
it was very uncomfortable

478
00:17:56,070 --> 00:17:54,240
uh for me to talk about because

479
00:17:58,549 --> 00:17:56,080
i couldn't make sense of why this had

480
00:18:02,150 --> 00:17:58,559
been declassified why is this

481
00:18:04,310 --> 00:18:02,160
out in the public sphere now my job is

482
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not something i ever discussed with my

483
00:18:08,070 --> 00:18:05,039
family

484
00:18:11,190 --> 00:18:08,080
at all um in fact

485
00:18:13,750 --> 00:18:11,200
toward towards the end of my 16

486
00:18:15,430 --> 00:18:13,760
year career my father asked me what do

487
00:18:18,630 --> 00:18:15,440
you do

488
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because he had he had no idea because i

489
00:18:21,909 --> 00:18:20,400
never would talk about it i never even

490
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alluded to what

491
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i did behind closed doors so so this was

492
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a very uncomfortable subject for me

493
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um but of course in having read

494
00:18:34,710 --> 00:18:32,000
the new york times article and seeing

495
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that you know harry reid is quoted

496
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uh chris mellon um and these are

497
00:18:43,830 --> 00:18:41,200
you know important people and they're

498
00:18:46,310 --> 00:18:43,840
talking about it so there must be

499
00:18:47,990 --> 00:18:46,320
this must be declassified so i must be

500
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able to talk about it and i told my

501
00:18:52,870 --> 00:18:49,679
brother yeah you know

502
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this gimbal footage i was there um in

503
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2015 when i was collected

504
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and uh he was shocked he was shocked by

505
00:19:02,870 --> 00:18:58,720
that

506
00:19:06,630 --> 00:19:02,880
something else i'd love to

507
00:19:07,190 --> 00:19:06,640
get all of your your um your thoughts on

508
00:19:08,710 --> 00:19:07,200
uh

509
00:19:10,310 --> 00:19:08,720
let's start with you matthew what was

510
00:19:12,630 --> 00:19:10,320
like the atmosphere

511
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at the time on the ships i mean were

512
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people freaking out about these things

513
00:19:18,230 --> 00:19:15,280
were they

514
00:19:19,110 --> 00:19:18,240
laughing it off uh what was kind of the

515
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the overall

516
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attitude um as these things were

517
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happening in real

518
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um you know i can only talk about what i

519
00:19:33,190 --> 00:19:27,679
saw

520
00:19:34,070 --> 00:19:33,200
um and i can't speak for the upper chain

521
00:19:37,190 --> 00:19:34,080
of command

522
00:19:38,870 --> 00:19:37,200
uh or even verify that there were any

523
00:19:40,310 --> 00:19:38,880
meetings about this or anything like

524
00:19:42,070 --> 00:19:40,320
that but

525
00:19:43,590 --> 00:19:42,080
the people directly around me were very

526
00:19:47,270 --> 00:19:43,600
uninterested in it

527
00:19:50,070 --> 00:19:47,280
uh they didn't care uh and i

528
00:19:51,110 --> 00:19:50,080
i didn't understand that at the time i

529
00:19:53,510 --> 00:19:51,120
will say that

530
00:19:55,590 --> 00:19:53,520
i was very interested in it i also heard

531
00:19:59,750 --> 00:19:55,600
pilots talking about it

532
00:20:02,390 --> 00:19:59,760
uh the pilots were very interested um

533
00:20:04,470 --> 00:20:02,400
so there were people within intel that

534
00:20:07,590 --> 00:20:04,480
were talking about it i'm not sure

535
00:20:08,950 --> 00:20:07,600
how much the rest of the ship knew uh as

536
00:20:12,310 --> 00:20:08,960
to what was going on

537
00:20:13,510 --> 00:20:12,320
but um certainly within intel we were

538
00:20:17,830 --> 00:20:13,520
aware of it

539
00:20:19,190 --> 00:20:17,840
those were the only two places i heard

540
00:20:22,789 --> 00:20:19,200
it being discussed

541
00:20:25,669 --> 00:20:22,799
um yeah that's it

542
00:20:27,350 --> 00:20:25,679
gotcha gotcha jason um how about you man

543
00:20:29,350 --> 00:20:27,360
was there talk on the ship

544
00:20:31,270 --> 00:20:29,360
uh while this was going on or like

545
00:20:33,669 --> 00:20:31,280
matthew was it kind of just like

546
00:20:35,350 --> 00:20:33,679
yo come over look at this video that we

547
00:20:37,590 --> 00:20:35,360
just got sent to our like

548
00:20:38,630 --> 00:20:37,600
you know our servers and stuff how what

549
00:20:41,110 --> 00:20:38,640
was that like

550
00:20:43,110 --> 00:20:41,120
yeah we're so compartmentalized within

551
00:20:45,510 --> 00:20:43,120
the within the on the ship itself

552
00:20:47,029 --> 00:20:45,520
that you know the the left hand doesn't

553
00:20:49,110 --> 00:20:47,039
always know what the right hand is doing

554
00:20:51,430 --> 00:20:49,120
and um so we knew that there were things

555
00:20:53,590 --> 00:20:51,440
going on we just didn't know what it was

556
00:20:55,350 --> 00:20:53,600
and so being somebody who works in

557
00:20:58,230 --> 00:20:55,360
supply who's not directly

558
00:20:59,270 --> 00:20:58,240
in contact with you know with like gary

559
00:21:02,630 --> 00:20:59,280
all the time

560
00:21:04,950 --> 00:21:02,640
or matthew who works up in obsess

561
00:21:06,549 --> 00:21:04,960
you don't necessarily know everything

562
00:21:10,149 --> 00:21:06,559
that's going on all the time

563
00:21:11,270 --> 00:21:10,159
and and rightfully so um but

564
00:21:13,350 --> 00:21:11,280
you know there were things there were

565
00:21:17,669 --> 00:21:13,360
things happening and things being said

566
00:21:18,950 --> 00:21:17,679
that um we knew something was going on

567
00:21:20,789 --> 00:21:18,960
but we didn't know what

568
00:21:23,590 --> 00:21:20,799
and that's you know just from a general

569
00:21:26,870 --> 00:21:23,600
shift crew type thing like

570
00:21:28,549 --> 00:21:26,880
yeah it's it's if you know something's

571
00:21:30,549 --> 00:21:28,559
going on it's because you were directly

572
00:21:31,990 --> 00:21:30,559
you know involved in it and if you

573
00:21:32,710 --> 00:21:32,000
weren't directly involved in it you have

574
00:21:34,630 --> 00:21:32,720
no clue

575
00:21:36,390 --> 00:21:34,640
but then like you go down on the fan

576
00:21:38,470 --> 00:21:36,400
town to the smoke deck and

577
00:21:40,390 --> 00:21:38,480
you know you're out there you're trying

578
00:21:41,750 --> 00:21:40,400
to get information from people and

579
00:21:43,430 --> 00:21:41,760
at in the moment they're not going to

580
00:21:44,230 --> 00:21:43,440
give you that information and they

581
00:21:46,630 --> 00:21:44,240
wouldn't

582
00:21:48,390 --> 00:21:46,640
and you know so a lot of people they

583
00:21:50,070 --> 00:21:48,400
talk about it and then the rumor mill

584
00:21:52,630 --> 00:21:50,080
starts and

585
00:21:53,830 --> 00:21:52,640
you know who knows what it is you know

586
00:21:55,990 --> 00:21:53,840
and and that's kind of where

587
00:21:57,990 --> 00:21:56,000
it ended up for the first two days and

588
00:22:01,270 --> 00:21:58,000
then after that it kind of

589
00:22:01,750 --> 00:22:01,280
just dwindled off you know it was back

590
00:22:06,070 --> 00:22:01,760
to work

591
00:22:07,909 --> 00:22:06,080
plenty of more important things

592
00:22:09,190 --> 00:22:07,919
to be doing at the time i completely

593
00:22:12,070 --> 00:22:09,200
understand um

594
00:22:14,070 --> 00:22:12,080
gary what was it like from your position

595
00:22:16,950 --> 00:22:14,080
man when you started seeing these things

596
00:22:18,549 --> 00:22:16,960
i remember you um you know they were

597
00:22:20,310 --> 00:22:18,559
seeing so many of these things

598
00:22:22,390 --> 00:22:20,320
on the radar that they had to shut it

599
00:22:24,310 --> 00:22:22,400
all down and boot it back up

600
00:22:27,110 --> 00:22:24,320
so um what was that whole experience

601
00:22:29,029 --> 00:22:27,120
like where people like freaking out or

602
00:22:30,310 --> 00:22:29,039
thinking this is weird or what was that

603
00:22:31,510 --> 00:22:30,320
freaking out because you gotta remember

604
00:22:33,830 --> 00:22:31,520
when first things

605
00:22:36,710 --> 00:22:33,840
when stuff first happens you mean you

606
00:22:38,470 --> 00:22:36,720
just don't assume that it's anything

607
00:22:40,070 --> 00:22:38,480
uh you know you try to make sure your

608
00:22:42,710 --> 00:22:40,080
systems are working properly

609
00:22:44,230 --> 00:22:42,720
you know you're it's like uh when it

610
00:22:47,430 --> 00:22:44,240
when the spy guys

611
00:22:49,590 --> 00:22:47,440
which are the guys that directly run the

612
00:22:51,990 --> 00:22:49,600
the spy equipment up in the up in their

613
00:22:53,270 --> 00:22:52,000
rooms you know they say oh well you know

614
00:22:55,510 --> 00:22:53,280
probably have to do a bunch of reboots

615
00:22:58,710 --> 00:22:55,520
later it's like [\h__\h] really

616
00:23:01,029 --> 00:22:58,720
all right all right well we'll

617
00:23:02,710 --> 00:23:01,039
we'll get it done you know i'll stand by

618
00:23:04,149 --> 00:23:02,720
it just means no sleep for me

619
00:23:06,549 --> 00:23:04,159
that's that's that's because i was the

620
00:23:09,350 --> 00:23:06,559
only computer technician on board

621
00:23:10,870 --> 00:23:09,360
so it just you know there was a q70 guy

622
00:23:13,270 --> 00:23:10,880
which was uh

623
00:23:14,549 --> 00:23:13,280
the new style computer technician but

624
00:23:16,950 --> 00:23:14,559
there there was no

625
00:23:18,390 --> 00:23:16,960
other computer technicians at that point

626
00:23:25,990 --> 00:23:18,400
so i was just like oh well

627
00:23:29,830 --> 00:23:28,230
and of course i it was a i was a heavy

628
00:23:32,390 --> 00:23:29,840
smoker at the time and i

629
00:23:34,070 --> 00:23:32,400
i heavily didn't have them very often so

630
00:23:35,830 --> 00:23:34,080
i was bumming cigarettes on the smoke

631
00:23:38,149 --> 00:23:35,840
break

632
00:23:39,990 --> 00:23:38,159
uh but that's where the that's where all

633
00:23:42,070 --> 00:23:40,000
of the information comes from

634
00:23:43,510 --> 00:23:42,080
i mean that's like if you don't have

635
00:23:44,950 --> 00:23:43,520
like a secret clearance and you don't

636
00:23:46,390 --> 00:23:44,960
have a space

637
00:23:48,310 --> 00:23:46,400
that's where you find out everything

638
00:23:50,549 --> 00:23:48,320
that's happening you know so i mean i

639
00:23:53,750 --> 00:23:50,559
didn't even know we had unknown tracks

640
00:23:55,029 --> 00:23:53,760
and it was my systems you know until the

641
00:23:56,789 --> 00:23:55,039
until the guys that are doing the watch

642
00:23:58,310 --> 00:23:56,799
standing are like yeah yeah we got these

643
00:24:00,070 --> 00:23:58,320
unknown tracks and you know honestly it

644
00:24:02,310 --> 00:24:00,080
was it was nothing important

645
00:24:04,149 --> 00:24:02,320
at first and you know i got up there and

646
00:24:04,950 --> 00:24:04,159
i was looking over his shoulder and like

647
00:24:09,110 --> 00:24:04,960
oh yeah

648
00:24:10,789 --> 00:24:09,120
they're only doing 100

649
00:24:12,310 --> 00:24:10,799
what the hell they made a balsa wood or

650
00:24:13,909 --> 00:24:12,320
something you know i mean what the hell

651
00:24:15,669 --> 00:24:13,919
goes 100 knots

652
00:24:17,669 --> 00:24:15,679
we got a bunch of balloons floating out

653
00:24:19,430 --> 00:24:17,679
there or something you know

654
00:24:20,950 --> 00:24:19,440
100 odds isn't very fast it's faster

655
00:24:23,430 --> 00:24:20,960
than a balloon but you know

656
00:24:25,190 --> 00:24:23,440
you'd see like nothing with that with an

657
00:24:27,190 --> 00:24:25,200
actual radar signature like that doing

658
00:24:30,230 --> 00:24:27,200
100 knots that was odd

659
00:24:31,590 --> 00:24:30,240
so like all right you know now this is a

660
00:24:33,909 --> 00:24:31,600
system that can you know track a

661
00:24:36,230 --> 00:24:33,919
periscope

662
00:24:37,510 --> 00:24:36,240
across the across the ocean you know you

663
00:24:39,510 --> 00:24:37,520
can tell the difference between the

664
00:24:41,669 --> 00:24:39,520
crests and a periscope so i mean it's a

665
00:24:43,510 --> 00:24:41,679
very sensitive piece of equipment

666
00:24:44,950 --> 00:24:43,520
um so if like any of the systems are a

667
00:24:46,789 --> 00:24:44,960
little off and the filtering is not

668
00:24:47,909 --> 00:24:46,799
right you can kind of get weird things

669
00:24:50,390 --> 00:24:47,919
but

670
00:24:52,870 --> 00:24:50,400
we just vetted this system through a

671
00:24:56,149 --> 00:24:52,880
10-month deployment where it never had

672
00:24:58,630 --> 00:24:56,159
it didn't have any malfunctions at all

673
00:24:59,909 --> 00:24:58,640
nothing at a reset would wouldn't cure

674
00:25:01,190 --> 00:24:59,919
you know it's just like when you reboot

675
00:25:02,070 --> 00:25:01,200
your computer because it's acting a

676
00:25:04,390 --> 00:25:02,080
little weird

677
00:25:05,590 --> 00:25:04,400
you know same thing with this with any

678
00:25:07,669 --> 00:25:05,600
system

679
00:25:08,789 --> 00:25:07,679
so we we did the same thing and well

680
00:25:11,029 --> 00:25:08,799
when it came back up

681
00:25:13,110 --> 00:25:11,039
it just came back up actually in a

682
00:25:16,950 --> 00:25:13,120
better radar resolution than it did

683
00:25:19,590 --> 00:25:16,960
when we when we brought it all down um

684
00:25:19,990 --> 00:25:19,600
so at that point i was kind of like well

685
00:25:24,789 --> 00:25:20,000
then

686
00:25:26,789 --> 00:25:24,799
bit

687
00:25:28,230 --> 00:25:26,799
and uh you know nobody really said

688
00:25:29,430 --> 00:25:28,240
anything we tracked them they weren't

689
00:25:31,350 --> 00:25:29,440
coming at the ship

690
00:25:32,950 --> 00:25:31,360
so they weren't doing anything hostile

691
00:25:33,750 --> 00:25:32,960
no hostile intention or anything like

692
00:25:37,110 --> 00:25:33,760
that so

693
00:25:39,510 --> 00:25:37,120
there was no excitement about them um

694
00:25:41,110 --> 00:25:39,520
but i mean they i i figured the fact

695
00:25:42,230 --> 00:25:41,120
that they weren't squawking anything you

696
00:25:45,110 --> 00:25:42,240
know they weren't they weren't

697
00:25:47,110 --> 00:25:45,120
uh when i say squawking is uh every

698
00:25:49,430 --> 00:25:47,120
thing that flies

699
00:25:50,390 --> 00:25:49,440
shy of very very very small low altitude

700
00:25:52,549 --> 00:25:50,400
craft

701
00:25:53,909 --> 00:25:52,559
have to have some type of transmitter of

702
00:25:56,789 --> 00:25:53,919
some type to tell

703
00:25:58,470 --> 00:25:56,799
everybody around it what it is and so

704
00:25:58,789 --> 00:25:58,480
when i say it's not squawking nothing

705
00:26:02,390 --> 00:25:58,799
it's

706
00:26:05,029 --> 00:26:02,400
coming from it

707
00:26:06,710 --> 00:26:05,039
that we can tell any generic normal

708
00:26:07,350 --> 00:26:06,720
broadcast you know there might have been

709
00:26:09,590 --> 00:26:07,360
em

710
00:26:10,710 --> 00:26:09,600
or any of these uh special things that

711
00:26:12,710 --> 00:26:10,720
we we look at

712
00:26:13,830 --> 00:26:12,720
but there's been no reports of that

713
00:26:17,190 --> 00:26:13,840
stuff because it's

714
00:26:21,029 --> 00:26:17,200
probably all classified but

715
00:26:21,590 --> 00:26:21,039
um i remember being uh you know kind of

716
00:26:22,870 --> 00:26:21,600
excited

717
00:26:25,510 --> 00:26:22,880
i'm like all right you know what it's

718
00:26:27,430 --> 00:26:25,520
here's the mystery so the plot thickens

719
00:26:29,110 --> 00:26:27,440
so then what i started to do is i

720
00:26:32,230 --> 00:26:29,120
started to go up to the

721
00:26:32,870 --> 00:26:32,240
the you know go into combat and look at

722
00:26:34,630 --> 00:26:32,880
where the

723
00:26:37,029 --> 00:26:34,640
the bearing in elevation you know where

724
00:26:38,630 --> 00:26:37,039
where it was in the sky where to go look

725
00:26:40,070 --> 00:26:38,640
i was like well [\h__\h] shits and giggles

726
00:26:40,870 --> 00:26:40,080
i'll go look through the big guys see if

727
00:26:43,669 --> 00:26:40,880
i can see anything

728
00:26:45,269 --> 00:26:43,679
it's probably too far but on a couple of

729
00:26:46,789 --> 00:26:45,279
occasions you know probably about five

730
00:26:48,549 --> 00:26:46,799
times so at the week i was able to

731
00:26:49,750 --> 00:26:48,559
actually see something on the horizon

732
00:26:51,669 --> 00:26:49,760
you know and

733
00:26:53,350 --> 00:26:51,679
during the day i'll be honest i couldn't

734
00:26:55,430 --> 00:26:53,360
positively identify

735
00:26:56,630 --> 00:26:55,440
i was looking at one of these tracks but

736
00:26:59,269 --> 00:26:56,640
at night because

737
00:27:00,789 --> 00:26:59,279
they actually glowed and so when they

738
00:27:03,430 --> 00:27:00,799
did bug out

739
00:27:04,630 --> 00:27:03,440
you could tell exactly what it was you

740
00:27:07,830 --> 00:27:04,640
know that wasn't a

741
00:27:10,149 --> 00:27:07,840
you know it when it would haul ass

742
00:27:11,750 --> 00:27:10,159
it would be pretty obvious that that

743
00:27:14,390 --> 00:27:11,760
wasn't a a light on a

744
00:27:16,230 --> 00:27:14,400
sailboat or a light on the top of a

745
00:27:18,710 --> 00:27:16,240
fishing vessel or something like that

746
00:27:20,389 --> 00:27:18,720
you know so you know i actually got to

747
00:27:22,149 --> 00:27:20,399
see these things and then when we saw

748
00:27:25,110 --> 00:27:22,159
the footage it just it

749
00:27:27,430 --> 00:27:25,120
made my blood run cold my head went numb

750
00:27:30,149 --> 00:27:27,440
you get that like

751
00:27:31,909 --> 00:27:30,159
feeling like you just don't know how to

752
00:27:32,470 --> 00:27:31,919
this is this is surreal you know it's

753
00:27:33,990 --> 00:27:32,480
like

754
00:27:36,470 --> 00:27:34,000
the first time you look through it it's

755
00:27:37,590 --> 00:27:36,480
like you know am i looking at what i'm

756
00:27:40,149 --> 00:27:37,600
thinking i'm looking at

757
00:27:41,909 --> 00:27:40,159
you know is this you know why doesn't it

758
00:27:44,310 --> 00:27:41,919
have an engine

759
00:27:45,669 --> 00:27:44,320
why does it have wings what is this

760
00:27:47,269 --> 00:27:45,679
thing doing you know

761
00:27:49,669 --> 00:27:47,279
so it's like and then the second time

762
00:27:52,549 --> 00:27:49,679
through you start seeing more details

763
00:27:56,149 --> 00:27:52,559
and you're like it has it's colder than

764
00:28:00,070 --> 00:27:58,230
it doesn't have propellers yeah how's

765
00:28:02,470 --> 00:28:00,080
this thing moving you know even at 100

766
00:28:04,470 --> 00:28:02,480
knots now it's super impressive

767
00:28:06,630 --> 00:28:04,480
you know and then then coming to find

768
00:28:07,990 --> 00:28:06,640
out when it goes from you know 28 000

769
00:28:09,750 --> 00:28:08,000
feet to sea level and like

770
00:28:11,590 --> 00:28:09,760
i think kevin said it was like 0.7

771
00:28:14,870 --> 00:28:11,600
seconds they figured it out

772
00:28:17,990 --> 00:28:14,880
that's crazy no sonic booms no nothing

773
00:28:19,110 --> 00:28:18,000
i mean what can do that's nothing i know

774
00:28:22,630 --> 00:28:19,120
it's insane

775
00:28:24,710 --> 00:28:22,640
definitely not a seagull no no

776
00:28:27,350 --> 00:28:24,720
there are i will i will go on a record

777
00:28:27,750 --> 00:28:27,360
of saying i honestly positively do not

778
00:28:31,269 --> 00:28:27,760
think

779
00:28:33,430 --> 00:28:31,279
it's an ultrasonic seagull

780
00:28:35,110 --> 00:28:33,440
that's uh for a very special person out

781
00:28:37,990 --> 00:28:35,120
there who we're going to talk about

782
00:28:38,549 --> 00:28:38,000
in the listener questions for ior but um

783
00:28:40,230 --> 00:28:38,559
yeah i

784
00:28:42,070 --> 00:28:40,240
also go on the record saying i love that

785
00:28:44,789 --> 00:28:42,080
dude and

786
00:28:45,590 --> 00:28:44,799
shouldn't be so hard on him i would

787
00:28:47,590 --> 00:28:45,600
agree

788
00:28:48,950 --> 00:28:47,600
especially with that british accent it

789
00:28:50,310 --> 00:28:48,960
comes off so polite

790
00:28:52,470 --> 00:28:50,320
i think everyone knows what we're

791
00:28:53,830 --> 00:28:52,480
talking about now but um gary you bring

792
00:28:55,750 --> 00:28:53,840
up a really good point and i'd like to

793
00:28:56,389 --> 00:28:55,760
get jason and matthew's thoughts on this

794
00:28:58,149 --> 00:28:56,399
um

795
00:29:00,070 --> 00:28:58,159
that moment matthew you mentioned in

796
00:29:03,029 --> 00:29:00,080
your book i mean the title of your book

797
00:29:03,510 --> 00:29:03,039
the main title is initiated and i often

798
00:29:06,789 --> 00:29:03,520
uh

799
00:29:09,029 --> 00:29:06,799
refer to people's first ufo settings

800
00:29:10,950 --> 00:29:09,039
like that as well you know this is an

801
00:29:13,430 --> 00:29:10,960
initiation into something

802
00:29:14,549 --> 00:29:13,440
a club that a lot of people never wanted

803
00:29:17,669 --> 00:29:14,559
to be a part of

804
00:29:18,470 --> 00:29:17,679
but found themselves in almost so um for

805
00:29:20,870 --> 00:29:18,480
you matthew

806
00:29:22,630 --> 00:29:20,880
what was it like seeing that gimbal

807
00:29:25,269 --> 00:29:22,640
video seeing this craft

808
00:29:26,630 --> 00:29:25,279
with like no signs of propulsion uh

809
00:29:30,070 --> 00:29:26,640
moving at those speeds

810
00:29:31,750 --> 00:29:30,080
and rotating mid-flight i mean

811
00:29:33,590 --> 00:29:31,760
what went through your mind did you

812
00:29:34,310 --> 00:29:33,600
start going down the checklist of what

813
00:29:37,430 --> 00:29:34,320
it could be

814
00:29:39,510 --> 00:29:37,440
or were you sort of left there being

815
00:29:41,350 --> 00:29:39,520
as i would be dumbfounded what was that

816
00:29:41,909 --> 00:29:41,360
like what did you think it was i guess

817
00:29:45,110 --> 00:29:41,919
that's my

818
00:29:47,350 --> 00:29:45,120
question uh well you know i

819
00:29:49,190 --> 00:29:47,360
i definitely thought it was not

820
00:29:51,029 --> 00:29:49,200
something that we had

821
00:29:52,830 --> 00:29:51,039
and i didn't think it was something that

822
00:29:56,710 --> 00:29:52,840
an adversary had

823
00:30:00,549 --> 00:29:56,720
either um the only explanation i saw

824
00:30:03,750 --> 00:30:00,559
for it was that it was not

825
00:30:06,950 --> 00:30:03,760
uh not from here you know

826
00:30:09,430 --> 00:30:06,960
not from around here and uh

827
00:30:11,029 --> 00:30:09,440
the term is like off world that way it

828
00:30:15,350 --> 00:30:11,039
sounds more professional

829
00:30:17,590 --> 00:30:15,360
yeah yeah but i knew it wasn't anything

830
00:30:20,549 --> 00:30:17,600
that we had in our inventory or

831
00:30:22,230 --> 00:30:20,559
any other nation's inventory so i i i

832
00:30:25,269 --> 00:30:22,240
was really just

833
00:30:27,269 --> 00:30:25,279
i was shocked really i mean i i i

834
00:30:29,269 --> 00:30:27,279
i was coming to the terms with this as i

835
00:30:32,310 --> 00:30:29,279
was watching it that

836
00:30:33,190 --> 00:30:32,320
oh my gosh you know all of these stories

837
00:30:35,909 --> 00:30:33,200
are true

838
00:30:36,710 --> 00:30:35,919
that that you've been hearing of you

839
00:30:40,149 --> 00:30:36,720
know

840
00:30:42,070 --> 00:30:40,159
people seeing ufos uh

841
00:30:43,510 --> 00:30:42,080
and i that that was kind of like what

842
00:30:45,669 --> 00:30:43,520
was going through my head

843
00:30:47,990 --> 00:30:45,679
and i felt i actually felt a little bit

844
00:30:51,269 --> 00:30:48,000
guilty because i never believed it

845
00:30:54,470 --> 00:30:51,279
you know i was one of those people who

846
00:30:56,710 --> 00:30:54,480
you know if something ufo came on tv

847
00:30:58,710 --> 00:30:56,720
you know some ufo show i would kind of

848
00:30:59,590 --> 00:30:58,720
roll my eyes and you know change the

849
00:31:02,710 --> 00:30:59,600
channel

850
00:31:05,430 --> 00:31:02,720
um and here i was

851
00:31:06,230 --> 00:31:05,440
you know in a skiff watching this and

852
00:31:08,710 --> 00:31:06,240
it's like

853
00:31:09,590 --> 00:31:08,720
oh wow you know this is actually

854
00:31:13,029 --> 00:31:09,600
happening

855
00:31:15,750 --> 00:31:13,039
you know got real yeah yeah jason how

856
00:31:18,310 --> 00:31:15,760
about you man at the moment you saw that

857
00:31:19,430 --> 00:31:18,320
for the very first time i mean did you

858
00:31:21,430 --> 00:31:19,440
immediately think

859
00:31:22,710 --> 00:31:21,440
i'm looking at a craft from zeta

860
00:31:24,710 --> 00:31:22,720
reticuli or

861
00:31:26,230 --> 00:31:24,720
what the hell is going on here what were

862
00:31:29,029 --> 00:31:26,240
your initial thoughts

863
00:31:30,149 --> 00:31:29,039
my first my first thought was well i'd

864
00:31:32,389 --> 00:31:30,159
ask him i'm like is this

865
00:31:33,350 --> 00:31:32,399
is this real world or is this exercise

866
00:31:34,710 --> 00:31:33,360
and you know he's

867
00:31:36,470 --> 00:31:34,720
he asked me this is a real world this

868
00:31:39,350 --> 00:31:36,480
you know and i'm like

869
00:31:41,509 --> 00:31:39,360
whoa you know this is unbelievable

870
00:31:43,190 --> 00:31:41,519
because

871
00:31:46,310 --> 00:31:43,200
you know seeing this thing move the way

872
00:31:48,630 --> 00:31:46,320
the way that it moves

873
00:31:49,990 --> 00:31:48,640
it kind of it explodes your brain you

874
00:31:51,110 --> 00:31:50,000
know because everything you think you

875
00:31:55,110 --> 00:31:51,120
know about

876
00:31:57,830 --> 00:31:55,120
physics and the way the world works

877
00:31:58,710 --> 00:31:57,840
it's it's it quits working that way you

878
00:32:00,789 --> 00:31:58,720
know it's like

879
00:32:03,830 --> 00:32:00,799
whoa because now you have this whole

880
00:32:06,950 --> 00:32:06,389
what am i what am i seeing here you know

881
00:32:09,029 --> 00:32:06,960
and

882
00:32:10,389 --> 00:32:09,039
so it kind of changes your perspective

883
00:32:13,430 --> 00:32:10,399
on

884
00:32:15,110 --> 00:32:13,440
everything in that moment

885
00:32:17,430 --> 00:32:15,120
and you question everything you ever

886
00:32:21,110 --> 00:32:19,509
and then you go okay now i owe some

887
00:32:24,389 --> 00:32:21,120
other people

888
00:32:27,830 --> 00:32:24,399
apologies because

889
00:32:30,389 --> 00:32:27,840
you know like uh know

890
00:32:31,830 --> 00:32:30,399
sadly i was one of the guys who would be

891
00:32:34,310 --> 00:32:31,840
the one to ridicule you

892
00:32:37,430 --> 00:32:34,320
and now it's like wow wow so when it

893
00:32:39,669 --> 00:32:37,440
happens to you you kind of um

894
00:32:42,950 --> 00:32:39,679
you get a gut punch and and you have to

895
00:32:45,990 --> 00:32:42,960
swallow your pride and say okay you know

896
00:32:49,110 --> 00:32:46,000
now where do we go and here's you yeah

897
00:32:51,110 --> 00:32:49,120
here we are yeah unlike these two

898
00:32:53,990 --> 00:32:51,120
though i uh i thoroughly enjoyed the

899
00:32:56,149 --> 00:32:54,000
x-files and if there was a ufo show on

900
00:32:58,630 --> 00:32:56,159
i probably would have watched it but

901
00:33:00,549 --> 00:32:58,640
mostly out of more of a

902
00:33:01,669 --> 00:33:00,559
you know i would have known what a zeta

903
00:33:04,310 --> 00:33:01,679
reticuli

904
00:33:06,789 --> 00:33:04,320
or the uh you know i would have known

905
00:33:08,870 --> 00:33:06,799
the species names or that there is

906
00:33:11,029 --> 00:33:08,880
multiple species or that

907
00:33:13,110 --> 00:33:11,039
you know any of these you know really

908
00:33:14,789 --> 00:33:13,120
down the rabbit hole stuff

909
00:33:16,310 --> 00:33:14,799
um and honestly even being down the

910
00:33:17,830 --> 00:33:16,320
rabbit hole uh

911
00:33:20,070 --> 00:33:17,840
i'm still on the fence with a lot of

912
00:33:21,990 --> 00:33:20,080
stuff but now that i had

913
00:33:24,149 --> 00:33:22,000
something to me happen that other people

914
00:33:27,509 --> 00:33:24,159
are like yeah right

915
00:33:28,630 --> 00:33:27,519
uh now i'm like uh well you know what

916
00:33:30,549 --> 00:33:28,640
i'm gonna go ahead and at least be

917
00:33:33,750 --> 00:33:30,559
polite and say i believe you

918
00:33:35,909 --> 00:33:33,760
definitely had some type of experience

919
00:33:37,509 --> 00:33:35,919
until i until i experienced it myself

920
00:33:39,669 --> 00:33:37,519
still still

921
00:33:42,149 --> 00:33:39,679
i still would maintain myself as a very

922
00:33:44,149 --> 00:33:42,159
skeptical believer of a lot of stuff

923
00:33:45,750 --> 00:33:44,159
but there's enough empirical evidence of

924
00:33:48,310 --> 00:33:45,760
even some of the weirdest stuff

925
00:33:48,789 --> 00:33:48,320
that you know it's worth at least giving

926
00:33:50,310 --> 00:33:48,799
a couple

927
00:33:51,830 --> 00:33:50,320
you know it's not going to hurt your

928
00:33:54,310 --> 00:33:51,840
feelings or your ti or

929
00:33:55,750 --> 00:33:54,320
your your brain to listen to well some

930
00:33:56,389 --> 00:33:55,760
of these people kind of hurt my brain

931
00:33:59,830 --> 00:33:56,399
but

932
00:34:00,549 --> 00:33:59,840
um it's not going to hurt you to be

933
00:34:03,110 --> 00:34:00,559
polite

934
00:34:05,509 --> 00:34:03,120
you know and i try to i try to maintain

935
00:34:08,629 --> 00:34:05,519
a balance between

936
00:34:10,470 --> 00:34:08,639
nuts and bolts and the whole phenomenon

937
00:34:13,270 --> 00:34:10,480
talk when people start getting too far

938
00:34:14,550 --> 00:34:13,280
down like the the you know the the

939
00:34:18,389 --> 00:34:14,560
synchronicity

940
00:34:21,190 --> 00:34:18,399
trail or the the phenomenon trail or the

941
00:34:22,069 --> 00:34:21,200
you know or the ufo trail and people

942
00:34:24,550 --> 00:34:22,079
have to realize

943
00:34:26,710 --> 00:34:24,560
that there's a good possibility that the

944
00:34:27,990 --> 00:34:26,720
reality is much stranger than we ever

945
00:34:30,629 --> 00:34:28,000
even can conceive

946
00:34:33,510 --> 00:34:30,639
and then on top of that there could just

947
00:34:36,149 --> 00:34:33,520
be multiple different things going on

948
00:34:37,349 --> 00:34:36,159
you could have top secret aircraft and

949
00:34:39,030 --> 00:34:37,359
then you could also have

950
00:34:41,349 --> 00:34:39,040
off-world vehicles and then you could

951
00:34:43,030 --> 00:34:41,359
also have you know trans-medium vehicles

952
00:34:44,230 --> 00:34:43,040
coming from other dimensions and

953
00:34:46,310 --> 00:34:44,240
you know i mean there's nothing saying

954
00:34:47,990 --> 00:34:46,320
that the all of these things couldn't be

955
00:34:51,589 --> 00:34:48,000
happening at the same time

956
00:34:53,349 --> 00:34:51,599
producing different results which would

957
00:34:55,909 --> 00:34:53,359
account for just about everything that

958
00:34:57,190 --> 00:34:55,919
we can see absolutely gary and that you

959
00:35:00,710 --> 00:34:57,200
bring up a good point too

960
00:35:01,990 --> 00:35:00,720
of uh you know the plural of phenomenon

961
00:35:04,390 --> 00:35:02,000
that's why we're now calling

962
00:35:05,589 --> 00:35:04,400
them unidentified aerial phenomena we

963
00:35:08,069 --> 00:35:05,599
have no idea

964
00:35:09,910 --> 00:35:08,079
what these are what they represent and

965
00:35:10,950 --> 00:35:09,920
matthew i know what you experienced on

966
00:35:12,950 --> 00:35:10,960
the east coast

967
00:35:14,550 --> 00:35:12,960
was probably had a different source or

968
00:35:17,829 --> 00:35:14,560
answer than what these guys

969
00:35:19,829 --> 00:35:17,839
had over on the west coast so i i want

970
00:35:21,190 --> 00:35:19,839
to go down that rabbit hole just a

971
00:35:23,670 --> 00:35:21,200
little bit with you guys

972
00:35:25,670 --> 00:35:23,680
let's just dig the first layer out um

973
00:35:29,030 --> 00:35:25,680
because i know for you matthew

974
00:35:29,589 --> 00:35:29,040
um you had a lot of experiences after

975
00:35:33,030 --> 00:35:29,599
this

976
00:35:35,750 --> 00:35:33,040
once you're kind of in

977
00:35:37,829 --> 00:35:35,760
once you've seen something like either

978
00:35:40,230 --> 00:35:37,839
the doors fling wide open

979
00:35:41,190 --> 00:35:40,240
or you start to kind of peek in a little

980
00:35:44,310 --> 00:35:41,200
bit more

981
00:35:47,109 --> 00:35:44,320
and see more light so um yeah

982
00:35:48,470 --> 00:35:47,119
what what did you guys walk away from

983
00:35:50,710 --> 00:35:48,480
these experiences with

984
00:35:53,109 --> 00:35:50,720
matthew we'll start with you um could

985
00:35:55,349 --> 00:35:53,119
you sort of walk us through

986
00:35:57,349 --> 00:35:55,359
what happened you know to your belief

987
00:36:00,790 --> 00:35:57,359
system what happened to kind of

988
00:36:01,190 --> 00:36:00,800
your perception of reality after all of

989
00:36:04,390 --> 00:36:01,200
this

990
00:36:05,349 --> 00:36:04,400
and um where did you go from there well

991
00:36:08,310 --> 00:36:05,359
i can say that

992
00:36:09,109 --> 00:36:08,320
uh for the most part it didn't change

993
00:36:11,510 --> 00:36:09,119
anything

994
00:36:12,390 --> 00:36:11,520
right i i didn't i didn't bother to look

995
00:36:15,430 --> 00:36:12,400
into this

996
00:36:18,550 --> 00:36:15,440
or give it a second look until the new

997
00:36:20,710 --> 00:36:18,560
york times article came out

998
00:36:23,349 --> 00:36:20,720
because at the time in 2015 i thought

999
00:36:26,310 --> 00:36:23,359
well you know if this is

1000
00:36:28,069 --> 00:36:26,320
a part of some program i'm not read into

1001
00:36:29,589 --> 00:36:28,079
it and i'll never know anyway

1002
00:36:32,150 --> 00:36:29,599
and this footage is never going to see

1003
00:36:35,670 --> 00:36:32,160
the light of day so this is the last

1004
00:36:38,470 --> 00:36:35,680
i'll ever see of it but what really

1005
00:36:40,390 --> 00:36:38,480
kind of started things to go in a

1006
00:36:42,150 --> 00:36:40,400
different direction for me was

1007
00:36:44,150 --> 00:36:42,160
you know the new york times article and

1008
00:36:47,270 --> 00:36:44,160
to the stars academy

1009
00:36:49,990 --> 00:36:47,280
um those people to me

1010
00:36:51,270 --> 00:36:50,000
uh carried with them a certain amount of

1011
00:36:54,710 --> 00:36:51,280
credibility

1012
00:36:58,069 --> 00:36:54,720
um and so i being the analyst

1013
00:36:59,589 --> 00:36:58,079
the intel analyst that i am i decided to

1014
00:37:02,790 --> 00:36:59,599
look into that organization

1015
00:37:04,790 --> 00:37:02,800
and drill down a little bit uh so i

1016
00:37:06,310 --> 00:37:04,800
i thought well who in this organization

1017
00:37:08,950 --> 00:37:06,320
has written any books

1018
00:37:09,910 --> 00:37:08,960
you know and let's check those out and

1019
00:37:13,349 --> 00:37:09,920
that was when i

1020
00:37:14,790 --> 00:37:13,359
read uh hunt for the skinwalker by colin

1021
00:37:17,990 --> 00:37:14,800
kelleher

1022
00:37:20,310 --> 00:37:18,000
and that really that was probably the

1023
00:37:22,069 --> 00:37:20,320
the single biggest book that really just

1024
00:37:26,150 --> 00:37:22,079
shifted my whole

1025
00:37:28,230 --> 00:37:26,160
world view um because to know that

1026
00:37:30,230 --> 00:37:28,240
this guy who wrote this book is also

1027
00:37:33,270 --> 00:37:30,240
involved with

1028
00:37:34,150 --> 00:37:33,280
um these guys from to the stars chris

1029
00:37:36,710 --> 00:37:34,160
mellon

1030
00:37:38,150 --> 00:37:36,720
luella zondo all these heavy hitters

1031
00:37:39,589 --> 00:37:38,160
from the pentagon

1032
00:37:41,829 --> 00:37:39,599
i thought well there's got to be

1033
00:37:45,510 --> 00:37:41,839
something there in this book

1034
00:37:48,150 --> 00:37:45,520
uh this can't just be nonsense

1035
00:37:49,829 --> 00:37:48,160
you know yeah and and so then that's

1036
00:37:50,470 --> 00:37:49,839
when i started to think well you know

1037
00:37:54,069 --> 00:37:50,480
this whole

1038
00:37:57,190 --> 00:37:54,079
everything we called paranormal is also

1039
00:37:58,150 --> 00:37:57,200
linked to this somehow obviously uh and

1040
00:38:01,750 --> 00:37:58,160
so that

1041
00:38:02,230 --> 00:38:01,760
that really just shifted my entire world

1042
00:38:03,990 --> 00:38:02,240
view

1043
00:38:06,230 --> 00:38:04,000
right there that was that was it that

1044
00:38:08,069 --> 00:38:06,240
was the beginning

1045
00:38:09,349 --> 00:38:08,079
yeah and i think you bring up a good

1046
00:38:12,069 --> 00:38:09,359
point too that

1047
00:38:12,870 --> 00:38:12,079
these members of the pentagon this atip

1048
00:38:15,750 --> 00:38:12,880
program

1049
00:38:17,990 --> 00:38:15,760
that looked at your events looked at

1050
00:38:20,069 --> 00:38:18,000
what happened with you guys

1051
00:38:21,510 --> 00:38:20,079
a lot of that money for the program went

1052
00:38:22,870 --> 00:38:21,520
into investigating something like

1053
00:38:24,630 --> 00:38:22,880
skinwalker ranch

1054
00:38:27,589 --> 00:38:24,640
so i would have to agree that there's

1055
00:38:28,550 --> 00:38:27,599
much stranger things going on here than

1056
00:38:30,950 --> 00:38:28,560
just

1057
00:38:31,990 --> 00:38:30,960
whatever little green men and flying

1058
00:38:34,630 --> 00:38:32,000
saucers

1059
00:38:36,470 --> 00:38:34,640
um that could be one of a million

1060
00:38:37,670 --> 00:38:36,480
answers to what these things were you

1061
00:38:39,430 --> 00:38:37,680
guys experienced

1062
00:38:41,430 --> 00:38:39,440
jason we'll start with the first man

1063
00:38:43,030 --> 00:38:41,440
once you saw that once you experience

1064
00:38:46,470 --> 00:38:43,040
that and like you said like

1065
00:38:47,430 --> 00:38:46,480
it became real um you start looking into

1066
00:38:50,390 --> 00:38:47,440
other stuff like

1067
00:38:52,390 --> 00:38:50,400
are ufos something you google now every

1068
00:38:55,589 --> 00:38:52,400
morning when you drink your coffee or

1069
00:38:55,829 --> 00:38:55,599
how did the event um impact you in terms

1070
00:38:58,870 --> 00:38:55,839
of

1071
00:39:02,630 --> 00:38:58,880
what might be out there yeah

1072
00:39:04,630 --> 00:39:02,640
not really um you know once once it all

1073
00:39:05,670 --> 00:39:04,640
transpired and then everything just kind

1074
00:39:08,790 --> 00:39:05,680
of dwindled down

1075
00:39:10,069 --> 00:39:08,800
after the event that happened i pretty

1076
00:39:11,670 --> 00:39:10,079
much just

1077
00:39:13,109 --> 00:39:11,680
you know put it on the back burner and

1078
00:39:15,109 --> 00:39:13,119
and until

1079
00:39:16,710 --> 00:39:15,119
what a couple years ago when when the

1080
00:39:19,430 --> 00:39:16,720
new york times article come out

1081
00:39:21,109 --> 00:39:19,440
and that was when it was like okay so

1082
00:39:24,870 --> 00:39:21,119
there is something to this

1083
00:39:27,750 --> 00:39:24,880
um you know and i think for me it

1084
00:39:28,230 --> 00:39:27,760
it it hasn't really changed like who i

1085
00:39:31,270 --> 00:39:28,240
am

1086
00:39:36,790 --> 00:39:31,280
as far as like my interest

1087
00:39:40,950 --> 00:39:40,470
my specific incident alone um i try not

1088
00:39:43,510 --> 00:39:40,960
to

1089
00:39:44,710 --> 00:39:43,520
think outside of this one particular

1090
00:39:46,950 --> 00:39:44,720
incident because

1091
00:39:47,990 --> 00:39:46,960
i can really get overwhelmed with it and

1092
00:39:50,150 --> 00:39:48,000
and i don't like

1093
00:39:52,870 --> 00:39:50,160
chasing the rabbits down that hole and

1094
00:39:55,589 --> 00:39:52,880
because when i do it's like

1095
00:39:56,390 --> 00:39:55,599
you know you start going beyond where

1096
00:39:58,870 --> 00:39:56,400
you need to go

1097
00:39:59,910 --> 00:39:58,880
and and right now i think i just want

1098
00:40:02,310 --> 00:39:59,920
answers to

1099
00:40:03,750 --> 00:40:02,320
to what happened with us and that's kind

1100
00:40:05,670 --> 00:40:03,760
of where i

1101
00:40:07,829 --> 00:40:05,680
put all my energy is figuring out what

1102
00:40:09,349 --> 00:40:07,839
it was that happened directly to us

1103
00:40:10,710 --> 00:40:09,359
and then they you know other other

1104
00:40:11,910 --> 00:40:10,720
events and other things like what

1105
00:40:14,069 --> 00:40:11,920
happened with matthew

1106
00:40:15,670 --> 00:40:14,079
um they'll all fall in into place when

1107
00:40:18,069 --> 00:40:15,680
they you know in time

1108
00:40:19,270 --> 00:40:18,079
so i've just kind of taken a back seat

1109
00:40:20,870 --> 00:40:19,280
and and kind of just

1110
00:40:22,470 --> 00:40:20,880
listened you know and i've learned a lot

1111
00:40:24,150 --> 00:40:22,480
from the people within the community on

1112
00:40:24,390 --> 00:40:24,160
twitter just listening to what they say

1113
00:40:25,589 --> 00:40:24,400
and

1114
00:40:27,030 --> 00:40:25,599
you know talking to people in private

1115
00:40:27,430 --> 00:40:27,040
messages i think that's something that

1116
00:40:30,790 --> 00:40:27,440
has

1117
00:40:32,390 --> 00:40:30,800
benefited everybody um is is our

1118
00:40:34,790 --> 00:40:32,400
availability to them

1119
00:40:35,750 --> 00:40:34,800
and their availability to us you know

1120
00:40:39,430 --> 00:40:35,760
not just

1121
00:40:41,349 --> 00:40:39,440
um you know where we come out we say

1122
00:40:45,030 --> 00:40:41,359
this and then we just disappear

1123
00:40:46,230 --> 00:40:45,040
and we're not reachable i think that's

1124
00:40:49,750 --> 00:40:46,240
what's revolutionized

1125
00:40:51,990 --> 00:40:49,760
this whole game over the past 10 years

1126
00:40:52,950 --> 00:40:52,000
is technology and the ability to

1127
00:40:55,589 --> 00:40:52,960
communicate

1128
00:40:56,550 --> 00:40:55,599
and make yourself available almost at

1129
00:40:58,870 --> 00:40:56,560
any time

1130
00:41:00,710 --> 00:40:58,880
to anybody you know and there have been

1131
00:41:03,589 --> 00:41:00,720
some pretty nasty people

1132
00:41:04,069 --> 00:41:03,599
um but they're there's for the majority

1133
00:41:07,270 --> 00:41:04,079
of

1134
00:41:09,030 --> 00:41:07,280
you know

1135
00:41:10,870 --> 00:41:09,040
politically we may disagree but at the

1136
00:41:12,390 --> 00:41:10,880
end of the day we can all sit down and

1137
00:41:15,349 --> 00:41:12,400
have a conversation

1138
00:41:16,230 --> 00:41:15,359
you know and absolutely i think that is

1139
00:41:18,870 --> 00:41:16,240
maintaining

1140
00:41:20,550 --> 00:41:18,880
that uh that level of okay i'm not on

1141
00:41:22,470 --> 00:41:20,560
the same level with you

1142
00:41:23,990 --> 00:41:22,480
you know because you may be so deep into

1143
00:41:25,670 --> 00:41:24,000
this that

1144
00:41:27,829 --> 00:41:25,680
you're starting to talk to talk to me

1145
00:41:29,109 --> 00:41:27,839
about things that

1146
00:41:31,109 --> 00:41:29,119
you're really kind of pushing people

1147
00:41:33,910 --> 00:41:31,119
away you know and it's like well

1148
00:41:34,150 --> 00:41:33,920
you don't need to but i'm like i i get

1149
00:41:37,510 --> 00:41:34,160
it

1150
00:41:39,670 --> 00:41:37,520
you know

1151
00:41:40,950 --> 00:41:39,680
you're in an eight i'm at a four and i

1152
00:41:43,109 --> 00:41:40,960
think that's what people just

1153
00:41:44,230 --> 00:41:43,119
just bear with us you know because it's

1154
00:41:46,950 --> 00:41:44,240
still all new to

1155
00:41:47,990 --> 00:41:46,960
us you know to people like me it's still

1156
00:41:49,670 --> 00:41:48,000
new to me

1157
00:41:52,390 --> 00:41:49,680
you know so i don't understand some of

1158
00:41:54,230 --> 00:41:52,400
the things that people are talking about

1159
00:41:55,589 --> 00:41:54,240
yeah that is such a good point man i

1160
00:41:57,510 --> 00:41:55,599
mean you guys kind of

1161
00:42:00,150 --> 00:41:57,520
you literally had these things fall into

1162
00:42:01,910 --> 00:42:00,160
your lap and it's been a crash course

1163
00:42:04,230 --> 00:42:01,920
ever since as i'm sure it is for these

1164
00:42:06,390 --> 00:42:04,240
people working in the pentagon right now

1165
00:42:07,430 --> 00:42:06,400
with this ufo task force you know they

1166
00:42:09,670 --> 00:42:07,440
didn't they

1167
00:42:11,750 --> 00:42:09,680
they didn't go to school to work in a

1168
00:42:12,630 --> 00:42:11,760
pentagon ufo program they weren't

1169
00:42:15,109 --> 00:42:12,640
trained

1170
00:42:16,550 --> 00:42:15,119
in in those sorts of things so i think

1171
00:42:18,630 --> 00:42:16,560
you're right i think people

1172
00:42:20,309 --> 00:42:18,640
um have to have patience you guys are

1173
00:42:22,710 --> 00:42:20,319
trying to unravel this thing

1174
00:42:23,349 --> 00:42:22,720
just as much as we are in the civilian

1175
00:42:26,069 --> 00:42:23,359
world

1176
00:42:26,870 --> 00:42:26,079
as well um and the other big thing you

1177
00:42:30,710 --> 00:42:26,880
bring up too

1178
00:42:32,309 --> 00:42:30,720
is um learning i think that's the most

1179
00:42:33,670 --> 00:42:32,319
important thing with all this you guys

1180
00:42:35,910 --> 00:42:33,680
are so accessible

1181
00:42:37,109 --> 00:42:35,920
again you could have just come out and

1182
00:42:39,270 --> 00:42:37,119
like told your story

1183
00:42:41,910 --> 00:42:39,280
and moved on with your lives but you've

1184
00:42:44,710 --> 00:42:41,920
been so transparent and open to

1185
00:42:46,150 --> 00:42:44,720
the ufo community and uh the public

1186
00:42:48,230 --> 00:42:46,160
overall that i

1187
00:42:49,589 --> 00:42:48,240
truly have to thank you guys for that

1188
00:42:52,630 --> 00:42:49,599
before we go any further

1189
00:42:55,990 --> 00:42:52,640
um but yeah gary how about you man

1190
00:42:57,990 --> 00:42:56,000
um how how big or small is the shovel

1191
00:42:59,270 --> 00:42:58,000
you're willing to dig into that rabbit

1192
00:43:01,109 --> 00:42:59,280
hole and uh

1193
00:43:02,870 --> 00:43:01,119
what are you thinking man what what's

1194
00:43:03,990 --> 00:43:02,880
going on in your mind with this whole

1195
00:43:06,550 --> 00:43:04,000
ufo thing

1196
00:43:07,829 --> 00:43:06,560
after being involved with this well the

1197
00:43:09,030 --> 00:43:07,839
one thing that me and matthew have in

1198
00:43:12,230 --> 00:43:09,040
common is that

1199
00:43:14,550 --> 00:43:12,240
it didn't really change me uh it

1200
00:43:16,069 --> 00:43:14,560
definitely changed my you know the way i

1201
00:43:17,990 --> 00:43:16,079
thought was or the things that were

1202
00:43:21,270 --> 00:43:18,000
possible

1203
00:43:24,950 --> 00:43:21,280
so immediately after the event

1204
00:43:27,990 --> 00:43:24,960
i started downloading the mit syllabus

1205
00:43:31,589 --> 00:43:28,000
syllabuses for uh their physics courses

1206
00:43:32,950 --> 00:43:31,599
and uh looking at uh

1207
00:43:34,870 --> 00:43:32,960
all the different all the ivy league

1208
00:43:36,309 --> 00:43:34,880
schools syllabuses for their physics

1209
00:43:38,950 --> 00:43:36,319
courses and learning everything that i

1210
00:43:40,230 --> 00:43:38,960
could about physics and engineering

1211
00:43:42,309 --> 00:43:40,240
i didn't think i'd ever really be able

1212
00:43:45,750 --> 00:43:42,319
to afford to go back to college so

1213
00:43:49,109 --> 00:43:45,760
i just started learning it all myself

1214
00:43:51,109 --> 00:43:49,119
um i spent pretty much

1215
00:43:52,309 --> 00:43:51,119
a lot of my free time just trying to

1216
00:43:54,470 --> 00:43:52,319
figure out

1217
00:43:56,390 --> 00:43:54,480
how any of this could even be possible

1218
00:43:56,790 --> 00:43:56,400
just to keep running into wall after

1219
00:44:00,950 --> 00:43:56,800
wall

1220
00:44:06,150 --> 00:44:03,990
my education level it was so

1221
00:44:07,750 --> 00:44:06,160
minimal to begin with you know i mean

1222
00:44:11,910 --> 00:44:07,760
the only thing i had was

1223
00:44:14,550 --> 00:44:11,920
i know it's possible now how

1224
00:44:16,230 --> 00:44:14,560
so i i was literally starting from you

1225
00:44:19,430 --> 00:44:16,240
know

1226
00:44:22,309 --> 00:44:19,440
high school physics to

1227
00:44:24,069 --> 00:44:22,319
learn all of these different theorems

1228
00:44:24,950 --> 00:44:24,079
these different possibilities these

1229
00:44:26,870 --> 00:44:24,960
different things

1230
00:44:29,430 --> 00:44:26,880
that you know people have already gone

1231
00:44:31,349 --> 00:44:29,440
through 10 years of college and knew

1232
00:44:33,589 --> 00:44:31,359
um so it was like a crash course that i

1233
00:44:37,750 --> 00:44:33,599
was pushing myself through

1234
00:44:39,829 --> 00:44:37,760
and then uh then that would

1235
00:44:41,349 --> 00:44:39,839
make me fall down other rabbit holes

1236
00:44:43,349 --> 00:44:41,359
like i'd see an article about

1237
00:44:45,349 --> 00:44:43,359
crispr and then i'd just be obsessed

1238
00:44:47,750 --> 00:44:45,359
with the crisper technology read

1239
00:44:49,190 --> 00:44:47,760
everything that humans know about crispr

1240
00:44:51,670 --> 00:44:49,200
uh you know try to understand

1241
00:44:53,990 --> 00:44:51,680
exactly how it edits genome how you know

1242
00:44:56,870 --> 00:44:54,000
how how could they possibly introduce

1243
00:44:58,230 --> 00:44:56,880
uh gene editing into a live specimen and

1244
00:45:00,390 --> 00:44:58,240
then they're like oh you just

1245
00:45:01,829 --> 00:45:00,400
stick it in a virus and boom we can

1246
00:45:03,829 --> 00:45:01,839
rewrite your dna

1247
00:45:06,230 --> 00:45:03,839
and then you know that goes into then

1248
00:45:08,069 --> 00:45:06,240
that goes went into epigenetics and then

1249
00:45:08,870 --> 00:45:08,079
i got stuck on epigenetics for like a

1250
00:45:10,390 --> 00:45:08,880
year and

1251
00:45:12,470 --> 00:45:10,400
you know just learned everything i could

1252
00:45:14,630 --> 00:45:12,480
about epigenetics and that's now blowing

1253
00:45:17,510 --> 00:45:14,640
up too you know so

1254
00:45:18,710 --> 00:45:17,520
it's it's been one learning rabbit hole

1255
00:45:23,190 --> 00:45:18,720
after another

1256
00:45:25,510 --> 00:45:23,200
and uh then finally the 2017

1257
00:45:28,470 --> 00:45:25,520
report came out and then i get a phone

1258
00:45:31,910 --> 00:45:28,480
call in 2018

1259
00:45:35,030 --> 00:45:31,920
and then i start having to do a crash

1260
00:45:37,910 --> 00:45:35,040
course in ufo history now i mean i knew

1261
00:45:39,829 --> 00:45:37,920
generally the the big ones you know

1262
00:45:41,750 --> 00:45:39,839
project blue book i knew

1263
00:45:43,829 --> 00:45:41,760
uh that they were you know roswell

1264
00:45:45,430 --> 00:45:43,839
there's two crashes there's you know

1265
00:45:46,069 --> 00:45:45,440
there's two crash sites that you know i

1266
00:45:47,990 --> 00:45:46,079
know

1267
00:45:50,230 --> 00:45:48,000
some of the details and some a little

1268
00:45:52,870 --> 00:45:50,240
bit i'd say if uh you know

1269
00:45:54,790 --> 00:45:52,880
ryan you're a level 10 and jason's a

1270
00:45:56,390 --> 00:45:54,800
level four i'm probably like a five or a

1271
00:45:58,150 --> 00:45:56,400
six

1272
00:45:59,829 --> 00:45:58,160
but i'm not gonna remember the details

1273
00:46:03,190 --> 00:45:59,839
i'm not gonna remember you know it was

1274
00:46:04,870 --> 00:46:03,200
you know 14.76 yards away from the

1275
00:46:06,150 --> 00:46:04,880
uh you know site you know i'm never

1276
00:46:07,109 --> 00:46:06,160
going to remember details that i can

1277
00:46:09,349 --> 00:46:07,119
look up

1278
00:46:10,790 --> 00:46:09,359
uh it's been a i had a professor tell me

1279
00:46:13,670 --> 00:46:10,800
one time he said

1280
00:46:14,230 --> 00:46:13,680
you know i really enjoyed your thesis

1281
00:46:17,030 --> 00:46:14,240
but

1282
00:46:18,550 --> 00:46:17,040
it is uh you need to leave out anything

1283
00:46:20,309 --> 00:46:18,560
that somebody can look up

1284
00:46:21,589 --> 00:46:20,319
if somebody can look up a number there's

1285
00:46:24,470 --> 00:46:21,599
no point in

1286
00:46:25,670 --> 00:46:24,480
spending five paragraphs describing it

1287
00:46:29,829 --> 00:46:25,680
yeah

1288
00:46:31,990 --> 00:46:29,839
so he said keep it simple stupid so i've

1289
00:46:36,069 --> 00:46:32,000
kept it that you know so no no more 60

1290
00:46:40,470 --> 00:46:38,630
i used that i used to be a little too

1291
00:46:42,710 --> 00:46:40,480
overzealous with it with my work

1292
00:46:44,230 --> 00:46:42,720
and it was this is like just like with

1293
00:46:45,910 --> 00:46:44,240
my work i'd start

1294
00:46:47,990 --> 00:46:45,920
writing about it and then like oh well i

1295
00:46:48,390 --> 00:46:48,000
better explain that i better explain

1296
00:46:51,589 --> 00:46:48,400
that

1297
00:46:53,750 --> 00:46:51,599
even though they were incredibly

1298
00:46:54,710 --> 00:46:53,760
detailed they were basically a big bore

1299
00:46:59,109 --> 00:46:54,720
fest

1300
00:47:00,950 --> 00:46:59,119
and uh but it taught me you know and

1301
00:47:02,710 --> 00:47:00,960
and i've and i've been wrong so many

1302
00:47:05,750 --> 00:47:02,720
times you know i think my favorite thing

1303
00:47:08,309 --> 00:47:05,760
is being completely wrong on air

1304
00:47:09,589 --> 00:47:08,319
because you're about to learn because

1305
00:47:12,390 --> 00:47:09,599
you're about to learn

1306
00:47:13,990 --> 00:47:12,400
everything there has to know that's

1307
00:47:14,870 --> 00:47:14,000
actually right about what you're just

1308
00:47:18,230 --> 00:47:14,880
talking about

1309
00:47:21,270 --> 00:47:18,240
you know so and uh you know uh

1310
00:47:23,829 --> 00:47:21,280
one little tidbit of my story that i

1311
00:47:24,790 --> 00:47:23,839
actually just got a confirmation about

1312
00:47:28,630 --> 00:47:24,800
and

1313
00:47:30,069 --> 00:47:28,640
has been a little bit uh

1314
00:47:32,549 --> 00:47:30,079
you know it's been on the board because

1315
00:47:34,150 --> 00:47:32,559
when i was on the boat

1316
00:47:38,309 --> 00:47:34,160
i could have swore somebody told me that

1317
00:47:42,069 --> 00:47:38,319
we had an active underwater contact

1318
00:47:45,430 --> 00:47:42,079
well i was right and i was wrong

1319
00:47:46,150 --> 00:47:45,440
um i did talk to one of my former

1320
00:47:48,710 --> 00:47:46,160
shipmates

1321
00:47:49,750 --> 00:47:48,720
and he's and he's basically informed me

1322
00:47:52,470 --> 00:47:49,760
that

1323
00:47:53,990 --> 00:47:52,480
it wasn't an active track they actually

1324
00:47:56,870 --> 00:47:54,000
got

1325
00:47:57,349 --> 00:47:56,880
a signature where the you know the sonar

1326
00:47:59,910 --> 00:47:57,359
guys

1327
00:48:01,670 --> 00:47:59,920
when they track objects passively

1328
00:48:03,030 --> 00:48:01,680
everything has its signature

1329
00:48:06,390 --> 00:48:03,040
you know they can tell the difference

1330
00:48:08,870 --> 00:48:06,400
between a trident submarine and a

1331
00:48:09,750 --> 00:48:08,880
uh a a russian diesel or a chinese

1332
00:48:11,910 --> 00:48:09,760
diesel

1333
00:48:13,990 --> 00:48:11,920
you know they they can tell they can

1334
00:48:16,309 --> 00:48:14,000
even track things in the sky

1335
00:48:17,190 --> 00:48:16,319
you know the the actual vibrations and

1336
00:48:19,190 --> 00:48:17,200
the engines

1337
00:48:20,790 --> 00:48:19,200
noise from the sky actually comes

1338
00:48:21,589 --> 00:48:20,800
underwater and they can track that and

1339
00:48:25,109 --> 00:48:21,599
they know

1340
00:48:28,150 --> 00:48:25,119
where generally everything is well it

1341
00:48:31,349 --> 00:48:28,160
they got it on the hydrophone

1342
00:48:33,190 --> 00:48:31,359
you know they heard it and uh they all

1343
00:48:35,750 --> 00:48:33,200
had to sign non-disclosure agreements

1344
00:48:37,750 --> 00:48:35,760
and they were basically debriefed and

1345
00:48:40,230 --> 00:48:37,760
told they were not allowed to talk about

1346
00:48:43,670 --> 00:48:41,990
and that's something that i interested

1347
00:48:45,589 --> 00:48:43,680
in yeah yeah so that's

1348
00:48:47,589 --> 00:48:45,599
you know so that's what this gentleman

1349
00:48:47,990 --> 00:48:47,599
was talking to me about but because i

1350
00:48:50,710 --> 00:48:48,000
didn't

1351
00:48:52,630 --> 00:48:50,720
have the explanation that went with it i

1352
00:48:54,230 --> 00:48:52,640
just assumed it was an active

1353
00:48:56,309 --> 00:48:54,240
thing you know because i just said sonar

1354
00:48:57,829 --> 00:48:56,319
you ping and they get something back

1355
00:48:59,990 --> 00:48:57,839
well i never thought about the fact that

1356
00:49:01,990 --> 00:49:00,000
they can just listen too

1357
00:49:03,270 --> 00:49:02,000
you know so they weren't allowed to go

1358
00:49:06,390 --> 00:49:03,280
active at the time

1359
00:49:08,390 --> 00:49:06,400
um and right after they got that that's

1360
00:49:10,150 --> 00:49:08,400
uh if jason remembers we went to general

1361
00:49:14,630 --> 00:49:10,160
quarters during that time

1362
00:49:17,109 --> 00:49:14,640
that's why because they were tracking it

1363
00:49:18,790 --> 00:49:17,119
on the hydrophone that's something that

1364
00:49:20,549 --> 00:49:18,800
i think gets missed is

1365
00:49:22,150 --> 00:49:20,559
when we did go to general quarters and i

1366
00:49:24,870 --> 00:49:22,160
think that's something that um

1367
00:49:25,750 --> 00:49:24,880
that needs to be talked about um you

1368
00:49:28,950 --> 00:49:25,760
know i mean

1369
00:49:31,270 --> 00:49:28,960
even at a later date um

1370
00:49:32,549 --> 00:49:31,280
you know that that's something that has

1371
00:49:34,150 --> 00:49:32,559
been lost

1372
00:49:35,750 --> 00:49:34,160
within this whole thing is that our ship

1373
00:49:38,630 --> 00:49:35,760
did go to general quarters

1374
00:49:39,510 --> 00:49:38,640
um and everybody did go to their battle

1375
00:49:41,670 --> 00:49:39,520
stations

1376
00:49:43,030 --> 00:49:41,680
um in preparation for something we don't

1377
00:49:46,630 --> 00:49:43,040
know what it was

1378
00:49:47,670 --> 00:49:46,640
and um so yeah i i i'd spoke on that

1379
00:49:50,870 --> 00:49:47,680
once before like when

1380
00:49:52,309 --> 00:49:50,880
when i first come out and uh for some

1381
00:49:53,910 --> 00:49:52,319
reason i haven't even

1382
00:49:55,670 --> 00:49:53,920
spoke about it since so i'm glad you

1383
00:49:57,910 --> 00:49:55,680
brought it up gary that's uh

1384
00:49:59,349 --> 00:49:57,920
that's something my active my active

1385
00:50:00,870 --> 00:49:59,359
theory about why we actually went to

1386
00:50:03,750 --> 00:50:00,880
general quarters is i bet you

1387
00:50:05,030 --> 00:50:03,760
that it was to limit the actually the

1388
00:50:07,829 --> 00:50:05,040
eyesight of

1389
00:50:09,990 --> 00:50:07,839
i bet you one of these things got close

1390
00:50:11,829 --> 00:50:10,000
and you know

1391
00:50:13,109 --> 00:50:11,839
if we go to general quarters everybody's

1392
00:50:15,750 --> 00:50:13,119
on the inside of the skin of the ship

1393
00:50:17,910 --> 00:50:15,760
except for people on the bridge

1394
00:50:19,589 --> 00:50:17,920
you know so the only people that would

1395
00:50:20,309 --> 00:50:19,599
have an active site of it would be

1396
00:50:22,630 --> 00:50:20,319
anybody that

1397
00:50:23,670 --> 00:50:22,640
has a camera system that points outside

1398
00:50:26,790 --> 00:50:23,680
like maybe c

1399
00:50:28,630 --> 00:50:26,800
whiz or

1400
00:50:30,390 --> 00:50:28,640
the bridge crew you know because you

1401
00:50:31,510 --> 00:50:30,400
won't have a watch crew on the outside

1402
00:50:33,750 --> 00:50:31,520
unless they send the

1403
00:50:35,670 --> 00:50:33,760
snoopy team out which has been a thing

1404
00:50:35,990 --> 00:50:35,680
that's gone all over ufo twitter lately

1405
00:50:38,549 --> 00:50:36,000
because

1406
00:50:39,829 --> 00:50:38,559
nobody knew the difference between the

1407
00:50:41,349 --> 00:50:39,839
different teams that we have our

1408
00:50:44,230 --> 00:50:41,359
reconnaissance teams

1409
00:50:45,589 --> 00:50:44,240
uh yeah that was news to me yeah because

1410
00:50:47,030 --> 00:50:45,599
we got a snoopy team and you know

1411
00:50:48,230 --> 00:50:47,040
anything that needs to be investigated

1412
00:50:49,750 --> 00:50:48,240
filmed

1413
00:50:51,589 --> 00:50:49,760
take a picture of outside the skin of

1414
00:50:53,510 --> 00:50:51,599
the ship and then you've got your viper

1415
00:50:53,990 --> 00:50:53,520
teams and those are generally not even

1416
00:50:57,190 --> 00:50:54,000
on your

1417
00:51:01,750 --> 00:50:57,200
ship they're just their crew of people

1418
00:51:06,950 --> 00:51:05,109
it it it was unfortunately can't be

1419
00:51:08,390 --> 00:51:06,960
confirmed because of the non-disclosure

1420
00:51:10,470 --> 00:51:08,400
agreements that they signed

1421
00:51:12,549 --> 00:51:10,480
but at least i was at least able to

1422
00:51:14,230 --> 00:51:12,559
figure out exactly what this kid

1423
00:51:15,750 --> 00:51:14,240
that was talking to me actually meant i

1424
00:51:16,790 --> 00:51:15,760
say kid because i mean we were all kids

1425
00:51:19,349 --> 00:51:16,800
at the time

1426
00:51:21,670 --> 00:51:19,359
you know i mean all in our early 20s and

1427
00:51:24,870 --> 00:51:21,680
he was you know younger than that but

1428
00:51:26,790 --> 00:51:24,880
you know and apparently he almost got

1429
00:51:28,069 --> 00:51:26,800
court-martialed he almost got into some

1430
00:51:30,390 --> 00:51:28,079
serious trouble for

1431
00:51:31,190 --> 00:51:30,400
talking about it outside their their you

1432
00:51:33,109 --> 00:51:31,200
know they were they

1433
00:51:35,270 --> 00:51:33,119
seriously were about to bring him up on

1434
00:51:36,150 --> 00:51:35,280
charges for for talking about it outside

1435
00:51:38,549 --> 00:51:36,160
of their

1436
00:51:41,270 --> 00:51:38,559
their area and that's actually what

1437
00:51:43,589 --> 00:51:41,280
ended up spooking him from talking to me

1438
00:51:45,030 --> 00:51:43,599
presently you know that's why none of

1439
00:51:49,030 --> 00:51:45,040
these guys they won't talk

1440
00:51:54,470 --> 00:51:52,069
yeah that's understandable

1441
00:51:55,270 --> 00:51:54,480
yeah yeah well i mean that's another

1442
00:51:57,990 --> 00:51:55,280
good point too

1443
00:51:59,750 --> 00:51:58,000
um i want to get your guys thoughts on

1444
00:52:01,589 --> 00:51:59,760
this i've got just a few more personal

1445
00:52:02,870 --> 00:52:01,599
questions and then we'll fire off these

1446
00:52:04,630 --> 00:52:02,880
audience questions

1447
00:52:05,910 --> 00:52:04,640
for you guys you're being very generous

1448
00:52:08,470 --> 00:52:05,920
with your time um

1449
00:52:09,109 --> 00:52:08,480
the idea of reporting these things now

1450
00:52:11,589 --> 00:52:09,119
we know

1451
00:52:13,510 --> 00:52:11,599
once um you know the videos were out the

1452
00:52:15,990 --> 00:52:13,520
department of defense officially

1453
00:52:18,069 --> 00:52:16,000
released them uh kind of the navy

1454
00:52:18,950 --> 00:52:18,079
followed suit and saying yeah these

1455
00:52:21,750 --> 00:52:18,960
things are real

1456
00:52:23,670 --> 00:52:21,760
like we tracked them we we recorded them

1457
00:52:26,230 --> 00:52:23,680
um and we're now gonna

1458
00:52:27,670 --> 00:52:26,240
tell our all of our service members to

1459
00:52:29,349 --> 00:52:27,680
start reporting these things when that

1460
00:52:32,069 --> 00:52:29,359
wasn't really the case

1461
00:52:33,030 --> 00:52:32,079
before that so again we've made such

1462
00:52:34,950 --> 00:52:33,040
strides

1463
00:52:36,630 --> 00:52:34,960
in terms of our reporting these things i

1464
00:52:38,630 --> 00:52:36,640
think in the last year or so

1465
00:52:40,150 --> 00:52:38,640
um that god knows what's going to be out

1466
00:52:42,390 --> 00:52:40,160
there in the coming years

1467
00:52:43,270 --> 00:52:42,400
um you know we're already getting other

1468
00:52:46,309 --> 00:52:43,280
videos

1469
00:52:48,150 --> 00:52:46,319
that the navy has recorded um how we're

1470
00:52:49,910 --> 00:52:48,160
getting those we're not quite sure

1471
00:52:51,829 --> 00:52:49,920
yet maybe we'll learn that soon we're

1472
00:52:52,549 --> 00:52:51,839
gonna get this report soon as well but

1473
00:52:55,910 --> 00:52:52,559
um

1474
00:53:00,309 --> 00:52:55,920
i'm going off on a tangent with you guys

1475
00:53:03,589 --> 00:53:00,319
um are you now the ufo

1476
00:53:06,549 --> 00:53:03,599
person to go to with former shipmates

1477
00:53:07,430 --> 00:53:06,559
um other members of the navy or the

1478
00:53:09,190 --> 00:53:07,440
military

1479
00:53:11,270 --> 00:53:09,200
are they like coming to you guys now

1480
00:53:11,670 --> 00:53:11,280
with anything personal experiences you

1481
00:53:13,750 --> 00:53:11,680
know

1482
00:53:15,190 --> 00:53:13,760
feeling comfortable enough to do that

1483
00:53:17,030 --> 00:53:15,200
now have any of you guys had an

1484
00:53:19,750 --> 00:53:17,040
experience in that realm of

1485
00:53:21,270 --> 00:53:19,760
someone possibly even still serving

1486
00:53:23,270 --> 00:53:21,280
being like yo

1487
00:53:24,950 --> 00:53:23,280
this happened over in afghanistan or

1488
00:53:27,750 --> 00:53:24,960
this happened over in

1489
00:53:29,670 --> 00:53:27,760
in south america like what what am i

1490
00:53:31,430 --> 00:53:29,680
dealing with here any of you guys

1491
00:53:32,950 --> 00:53:31,440
you know i've had plenty of people that

1492
00:53:37,030 --> 00:53:32,960
have contacted me

1493
00:53:39,990 --> 00:53:37,040
um that are prior military that

1494
00:53:43,109 --> 00:53:40,000
you know had experiences and then they

1495
00:53:45,670 --> 00:53:43,119
ended up reading my book um

1496
00:53:46,950 --> 00:53:45,680
and then they you know they tell me

1497
00:53:48,549 --> 00:53:46,960
everything that's happened to them and

1498
00:53:50,790 --> 00:53:48,559
they never talked about they never talk

1499
00:53:52,630 --> 00:53:50,800
to anybody they know about it

1500
00:53:55,510 --> 00:53:52,640
uh they don't talk to their chain of

1501
00:53:58,630 --> 00:53:55,520
command about it because

1502
00:54:01,910 --> 00:53:58,640
you know it's just it seems so out there

1503
00:54:03,670 --> 00:54:01,920
um but i can say too that while i was

1504
00:54:07,510 --> 00:54:03,680
working at oni

1505
00:54:10,950 --> 00:54:07,520
uh there were people who did approach me

1506
00:54:12,150 --> 00:54:10,960
and say you know i had this experience

1507
00:54:15,109 --> 00:54:12,160
or i had this happen

1508
00:54:16,069 --> 00:54:15,119
to me and that was something that they

1509
00:54:18,230 --> 00:54:16,079
don't

1510
00:54:20,630 --> 00:54:18,240
share publicly or at work but they knew

1511
00:54:22,549 --> 00:54:20,640
that since i

1512
00:54:25,670 --> 00:54:22,559
i kept no secret about what was

1513
00:54:27,990 --> 00:54:25,680
happening to me um

1514
00:54:29,349 --> 00:54:28,000
since they they knew that they would i i

1515
00:54:32,069 --> 00:54:29,359
would often get approached

1516
00:54:32,870 --> 00:54:32,079
by just random people that would tell me

1517
00:54:35,030 --> 00:54:32,880
hey i

1518
00:54:36,549 --> 00:54:35,040
i had something happen you know let me

1519
00:54:39,030 --> 00:54:36,559
tell you about it

1520
00:54:41,109 --> 00:54:39,040
um that happens all the time it

1521
00:54:45,510 --> 00:54:41,119
continues to happen

1522
00:54:48,630 --> 00:54:45,520
um and i think uh as long as

1523
00:54:51,109 --> 00:54:48,640
as long as this is kept kind of a secret

1524
00:54:51,990 --> 00:54:51,119
um i think that's gonna continue to

1525
00:54:53,829 --> 00:54:52,000
happen because people

1526
00:54:55,910 --> 00:54:53,839
won't be comfortable talking about it to

1527
00:54:57,670 --> 00:54:55,920
just anyone

1528
00:54:59,829 --> 00:54:57,680
absolutely that's a good point man i

1529
00:55:01,910 --> 00:54:59,839
think uh what you guys have done and

1530
00:55:04,390 --> 00:55:01,920
what is what we're seeing now

1531
00:55:05,109 --> 00:55:04,400
former service members are feeling more

1532
00:55:07,349 --> 00:55:05,119
empowered

1533
00:55:09,349 --> 00:55:07,359
to like come forward and like talk about

1534
00:55:11,349 --> 00:55:09,359
this stuff because it could be

1535
00:55:13,349 --> 00:55:11,359
a potential threat all three of these

1536
00:55:14,710 --> 00:55:13,359
events that you guys experienced we

1537
00:55:15,990 --> 00:55:14,720
don't know what it was we don't know

1538
00:55:18,549 --> 00:55:16,000
what its agenda

1539
00:55:19,030 --> 00:55:18,559
was where it came from why it was there

1540
00:55:21,109 --> 00:55:19,040
and we

1541
00:55:22,230 --> 00:55:21,119
might not ever know but it could be a

1542
00:55:25,030 --> 00:55:22,240
potential threat

1543
00:55:25,750 --> 00:55:25,040
so yeah jason gary have i either have

1544
00:55:28,069 --> 00:55:25,760
you guys

1545
00:55:29,510 --> 00:55:28,079
um been told any interesting or

1546
00:55:32,789 --> 00:55:29,520
compelling stories of people

1547
00:55:36,069 --> 00:55:32,799
maybe still in the military or or former

1548
00:55:37,430 --> 00:55:36,079
well i get um i get commercial pilots

1549
00:55:40,150 --> 00:55:37,440
sending me emails about

1550
00:55:41,829 --> 00:55:40,160
uh events that they have uh making sure

1551
00:55:42,870 --> 00:55:41,839
that i understand that everything's off

1552
00:55:46,390 --> 00:55:42,880
the record

1553
00:55:47,670 --> 00:55:46,400
um then i get a former military i've had

1554
00:55:50,069 --> 00:55:47,680
a couple of guys from

1555
00:55:52,150 --> 00:55:50,079
iraq come out and tell me about things

1556
00:55:55,030 --> 00:55:52,160
that they saw out in the desert

1557
00:55:56,390 --> 00:55:55,040
um all off the record but you know still

1558
00:55:58,789 --> 00:55:56,400
you know they feel like they can

1559
00:55:59,910 --> 00:55:58,799
confide in me oh this this did happen

1560
00:56:03,109 --> 00:55:59,920
you know

1561
00:56:05,670 --> 00:56:03,119
they were just happy just to

1562
00:56:06,630 --> 00:56:05,680
tell somebody that they you know what

1563
00:56:09,030 --> 00:56:06,640
happened

1564
00:56:10,549 --> 00:56:09,040
and then i get the former shipmates that

1565
00:56:13,829 --> 00:56:10,559
were there at the event

1566
00:56:15,109 --> 00:56:13,839
that basically they either through

1567
00:56:16,789 --> 00:56:15,119
the fact that they still worked for the

1568
00:56:17,109 --> 00:56:16,799
park department of defense or they're

1569
00:56:19,270 --> 00:56:17,119
still

1570
00:56:20,390 --> 00:56:19,280
in the service or they just don't want

1571
00:56:21,990 --> 00:56:20,400
you know or they have their own

1572
00:56:22,950 --> 00:56:22,000
businesses and don't want their names

1573
00:56:25,829 --> 00:56:22,960
attached to

1574
00:56:27,750 --> 00:56:25,839
this um you know they kind of live

1575
00:56:30,230 --> 00:56:27,760
vicariously through us

1576
00:56:31,190 --> 00:56:30,240
you know they they keep track and god

1577
00:56:33,109 --> 00:56:31,200
forbid if i say

1578
00:56:34,710 --> 00:56:33,119
anything wrong about any system or

1579
00:56:35,990 --> 00:56:34,720
anything that happened i mean they're

1580
00:56:37,510 --> 00:56:36,000
just like hey man um

1581
00:56:39,349 --> 00:56:37,520
just to let you know this is actually

1582
00:56:41,109 --> 00:56:39,359
how it happened you know and then

1583
00:56:42,870 --> 00:56:41,119
then i'll get you know the best way to

1584
00:56:44,150 --> 00:56:42,880
get get get things out of them is tell

1585
00:56:44,390 --> 00:56:44,160
them they're wrong and then they'll tell

1586
00:56:45,910 --> 00:56:44,400
you

1587
00:56:48,370 --> 00:56:45,920
or say something wrong and then they'll

1588
00:56:50,230 --> 00:56:48,380
tell you all about where you messed up

1589
00:56:51,910 --> 00:56:50,240
[Music]

1590
00:56:53,030 --> 00:56:51,920
which is why you know which is a you

1591
00:56:54,150 --> 00:56:53,040
know a lot of reason why i got the

1592
00:56:57,030 --> 00:56:54,160
information about the

1593
00:56:58,789 --> 00:56:57,040
you know the passive track um that's

1594
00:57:00,230 --> 00:56:58,799
going to be you know

1595
00:57:02,309 --> 00:57:00,240
i guarantee that's going to blow up on

1596
00:57:02,710 --> 00:57:02,319
twitter once that once once they hear

1597
00:57:04,950 --> 00:57:02,720
that

1598
00:57:05,750 --> 00:57:04,960
you know and it's it's been a point of

1599
00:57:08,470 --> 00:57:05,760
contention

1600
00:57:10,230 --> 00:57:08,480
you know and you know i have up until

1601
00:57:11,270 --> 00:57:10,240
just the other day i've never been able

1602
00:57:12,870 --> 00:57:11,280
to verify

1603
00:57:14,630 --> 00:57:12,880
the story that i was given about the

1604
00:57:16,549 --> 00:57:14,640
underwater tracks

1605
00:57:19,030 --> 00:57:16,559
and so now i at least know what the kid

1606
00:57:20,789 --> 00:57:19,040
was talking about you know so

1607
00:57:22,390 --> 00:57:20,799
that made me feel a lot better because i

1608
00:57:24,069 --> 00:57:22,400
kind of felt like oh man i

1609
00:57:25,910 --> 00:57:24,079
you know i hate to mislead people but

1610
00:57:27,349 --> 00:57:25,920
you know that's what i was told you know

1611
00:57:29,030 --> 00:57:27,359
at least that's what i remembered what i

1612
00:57:31,430 --> 00:57:29,040
was told because you remember this is

1613
00:57:33,190 --> 00:57:31,440
ages ago for us right right you know and

1614
00:57:33,670 --> 00:57:33,200
honestly i only focused on the fact that

1615
00:57:36,789 --> 00:57:33,680
we were

1616
00:57:43,430 --> 00:57:36,799
tracking a ufo

1617
00:57:47,750 --> 00:57:46,150
you know that's huge and i think at

1618
00:57:51,349 --> 00:57:47,760
least with your event

1619
00:57:54,150 --> 00:57:51,359
uh a lot of people tend to forget that

1620
00:57:54,630 --> 00:57:54,160
even commander david fravor uh witnessed

1621
00:57:56,630 --> 00:57:54,640
something

1622
00:57:57,750 --> 00:57:56,640
under the water and that's a piece of

1623
00:57:59,670 --> 00:57:57,760
this puzzle

1624
00:58:01,829 --> 00:57:59,680
that i think could solve a lot of the

1625
00:58:04,309 --> 00:58:01,839
answers that we might never

1626
00:58:05,829 --> 00:58:04,319
get so it's again these stories are

1627
00:58:06,549 --> 00:58:05,839
still developing and i think that's

1628
00:58:08,870 --> 00:58:06,559
what's

1629
00:58:10,470 --> 00:58:08,880
most important um i'm sorry to interrupt

1630
00:58:12,710 --> 00:58:10,480
you there with your last thought but

1631
00:58:14,710 --> 00:58:12,720
yeah please go ahead oh no worries and

1632
00:58:16,950 --> 00:58:14,720
you know i'm glad that matthew

1633
00:58:18,870 --> 00:58:16,960
came out because he's actually the first

1634
00:58:19,589 --> 00:58:18,880
person i've been in contact with about

1635
00:58:22,950 --> 00:58:19,599
the 15

1636
00:58:25,430 --> 00:58:22,960
the 2015 event and not for

1637
00:58:26,549 --> 00:58:25,440
uh you know i haven't actively reached

1638
00:58:27,990 --> 00:58:26,559
out to any of them yet

1639
00:58:29,910 --> 00:58:28,000
but you know there's uh you know dave

1640
00:58:30,309 --> 00:58:29,920
beatty has and he's talked to a couple

1641
00:58:34,470 --> 00:58:30,319
of

1642
00:58:36,309 --> 00:58:34,480
find it fascinating yeah because

1643
00:58:38,789 --> 00:58:36,319
uh the what i've read about it

1644
00:58:40,789 --> 00:58:38,799
especially the the cube and the spheres

1645
00:58:41,990 --> 00:58:40,799
and and then seeing the actual gimbal

1646
00:58:44,470 --> 00:58:42,000
footage and i mean

1647
00:58:45,510 --> 00:58:44,480
it's so different than what we saw it's

1648
00:58:47,430 --> 00:58:45,520
just like

1649
00:58:49,510 --> 00:58:47,440
it it's like a whole nother mystery that

1650
00:58:51,030 --> 00:58:49,520
i want to unravel so

1651
00:58:56,150 --> 00:58:51,040
thank you very much for coming out

1652
00:58:59,910 --> 00:58:58,069
what's up guys ryan sprague here and i'm

1653
00:59:01,430 --> 00:58:59,920
just dropping in to remind you about our

1654
00:59:03,349 --> 00:59:01,440
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1655
00:59:05,510 --> 00:59:03,359
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1656
00:59:06,870 --> 00:59:05,520
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1658
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1661
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1662
00:59:20,390 --> 00:59:19,119
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1664
00:59:24,630 --> 00:59:22,640
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1665
00:59:28,150 --> 00:59:24,640
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1666
00:59:34,309 --> 00:59:28,160
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1667
00:59:38,789 --> 00:59:36,390
jason any how about you man anyone come

1668
00:59:41,109 --> 00:59:38,799
to you with stories are you now the uh

1669
00:59:42,230 --> 00:59:41,119
the messenger there have been a few

1670
00:59:45,109 --> 00:59:42,240
people um

1671
00:59:46,309 --> 00:59:45,119
and also and let me put this on the

1672
00:59:49,430 --> 00:59:46,319
record

1673
00:59:52,630 --> 00:59:49,440
there was a guy um from our ship that

1674
00:59:54,950 --> 00:59:52,640
he uh he wanted to he even

1675
00:59:57,030 --> 00:59:54,960
he even wanted to vet my story of

1676
00:59:58,950 --> 00:59:57,040
everything that was going on so he

1677
01:00:00,950 --> 00:59:58,960
he contacts me and he's like hey look

1678
01:00:03,990 --> 01:00:00,960
you know you said you were here

1679
01:00:06,789 --> 01:00:04,000
um you know tell me you were there

1680
01:00:08,470 --> 01:00:06,799
you know show me how you know prove to

1681
01:00:11,190 --> 01:00:08,480
me you were there so i did you know

1682
01:00:12,230 --> 01:00:11,200
and and of course that conversation went

1683
01:00:14,230 --> 01:00:12,240
really quickly and

1684
01:00:17,750 --> 01:00:14,240
you know and that's something i think

1685
01:00:21,510 --> 01:00:20,630
all of us have kept to our version of

1686
01:00:23,190 --> 01:00:21,520
events

1687
01:00:25,510 --> 01:00:23,200
and when we stick to our version of

1688
01:00:26,470 --> 01:00:25,520
events and we don't try to speak for

1689
01:00:29,670 --> 01:00:26,480
someone else

1690
01:00:30,710 --> 01:00:29,680
it keeps the story um right where it

1691
01:00:32,390 --> 01:00:30,720
needs to be

1692
01:00:34,150 --> 01:00:32,400
uh that you know that that's something

1693
01:00:36,549 --> 01:00:34,160
that

1694
01:00:37,750 --> 01:00:36,559
none of us are going to embellish this

1695
01:00:40,230 --> 01:00:37,760
this whole thing

1696
01:00:42,309 --> 01:00:40,240
um because it's so easy to get called

1697
01:00:44,710 --> 01:00:42,319
out by former uh

1698
01:00:45,829 --> 01:00:44,720
your former shipmates on the ship and

1699
01:00:47,510 --> 01:00:45,839
it's like

1700
01:00:49,030 --> 01:00:47,520
you know you you mentioned one thing

1701
01:00:51,109 --> 01:00:49,040
that's wrong that you say that

1702
01:00:53,670 --> 01:00:51,119
happened and and you know there's 10

1703
01:00:57,990 --> 01:00:53,680
other eyes that were on this thing

1704
01:01:00,950 --> 01:00:58,000
in that moment so anyway back to

1705
01:01:01,990 --> 01:01:00,960
you know people contacting you you do

1706
01:01:05,109 --> 01:01:02,000
have those people who

1707
01:01:05,589 --> 01:01:05,119
are i wouldn't say afraid to come out

1708
01:01:07,990 --> 01:01:05,599
it's just

1709
01:01:08,950 --> 01:01:08,000
that they may have an active role in a

1710
01:01:11,750 --> 01:01:08,960
company

1711
01:01:12,390 --> 01:01:11,760
where they they still hold uh clearances

1712
01:01:14,150 --> 01:01:12,400
or they

1713
01:01:15,990 --> 01:01:14,160
they all they hold an active government

1714
01:01:16,870 --> 01:01:16,000
job and they're they're afraid to lose

1715
01:01:18,390 --> 01:01:16,880
their jobs so

1716
01:01:20,390 --> 01:01:18,400
you know they do kind of talk to us they

1717
01:01:22,470 --> 01:01:20,400
don't talk real deep to us about

1718
01:01:23,990 --> 01:01:22,480
you know some things but sometimes they

1719
01:01:26,470 --> 01:01:24,000
do and we're not ever going

1720
01:01:27,270 --> 01:01:26,480
to spill the beans on people you know so

1721
01:01:29,190 --> 01:01:27,280
that

1722
01:01:30,789 --> 01:01:29,200
there's a trust there's a trust factor

1723
01:01:34,230 --> 01:01:30,799
there i think where

1724
01:01:35,589 --> 01:01:34,240
we are not going to

1725
01:01:37,109 --> 01:01:35,599
you know somebody comes to us and says

1726
01:01:38,309 --> 01:01:37,119
hey you know this is what i did this is

1727
01:01:40,710 --> 01:01:38,319
what i saw

1728
01:01:41,589 --> 01:01:40,720
you know to trust but verify and and i

1729
01:01:43,589 --> 01:01:41,599
think that's

1730
01:01:45,510 --> 01:01:43,599
the first thing we do is kind of we vet

1731
01:01:48,630 --> 01:01:45,520
this person out like who is this

1732
01:01:50,789 --> 01:01:48,640
you know what did this person do um and

1733
01:01:53,589 --> 01:01:50,799
then we get in contact with other people

1734
01:01:56,230 --> 01:01:53,599
and it it's just because there there are

1735
01:01:58,630 --> 01:01:56,240
going to be people who

1736
01:01:59,750 --> 01:01:58,640
embellish their story and um you know

1737
01:02:01,510 --> 01:01:59,760
that's something that i think

1738
01:02:02,870 --> 01:02:01,520
we've worked hard to do is to prevent

1739
01:02:04,710 --> 01:02:02,880
that from happening

1740
01:02:06,549 --> 01:02:04,720
because once you start doing that once

1741
01:02:09,190 --> 01:02:06,559
you start embellishing once you start

1742
01:02:09,910 --> 01:02:09,200
lying about things it's hard to come

1743
01:02:12,950 --> 01:02:09,920
back from that

1744
01:02:15,589 --> 01:02:12,960
you know and your story can change at

1745
01:02:17,029 --> 01:02:15,599
on an instant you know and it's like

1746
01:02:18,630 --> 01:02:17,039
don't even go there

1747
01:02:20,549 --> 01:02:18,640
you know yeah i mean you know we've

1748
01:02:22,710 --> 01:02:20,559
we've had that happen once before and

1749
01:02:23,910 --> 01:02:22,720
and before this person could even come

1750
01:02:26,390 --> 01:02:23,920
out

1751
01:02:27,829 --> 01:02:26,400
you know and we we followed up we found

1752
01:02:29,510 --> 01:02:27,839
their chain of command and first thing

1753
01:02:32,630 --> 01:02:29,520
you know and it's like

1754
01:02:34,309 --> 01:02:32,640
no don't do it you know so

1755
01:02:35,750 --> 01:02:34,319
there are things that we do behind the

1756
01:02:37,670 --> 01:02:35,760
scenes to kind of hold ourselves

1757
01:02:39,829 --> 01:02:37,680
accountable to each other

1758
01:02:40,870 --> 01:02:39,839
that the general public doesn't know

1759
01:02:42,789 --> 01:02:40,880
about

1760
01:02:44,950 --> 01:02:42,799
and yeah most uh most of the people we

1761
01:02:47,349 --> 01:02:44,960
talk to um we either know

1762
01:02:48,710 --> 01:02:47,359
personally know know exactly what they

1763
01:02:52,069 --> 01:02:48,720
did on the ship

1764
01:02:55,109 --> 01:02:52,079
or we heavily vetted um because luckily

1765
01:02:57,270 --> 01:02:55,119
you know i'm a i'm we're most of us are

1766
01:03:01,190 --> 01:02:57,280
disabled vets so we still have access

1767
01:03:03,430 --> 01:03:01,200
to check on people you know and honestly

1768
01:03:04,789 --> 01:03:03,440
anybody can check to see your service

1769
01:03:06,950 --> 01:03:04,799
you know anybody can see

1770
01:03:09,510 --> 01:03:06,960
go check and see who you are and if you

1771
01:03:10,630 --> 01:03:09,520
did or you served at that command

1772
01:03:13,029 --> 01:03:10,640
you know they'll be able to tell you

1773
01:03:16,069 --> 01:03:13,039
whether you served at that command

1774
01:03:19,750 --> 01:03:16,079
what you did and your time of service

1775
01:03:22,950 --> 01:03:19,760
you know so i mean those those things

1776
01:03:25,910 --> 01:03:22,960
can't be faked so

1777
01:03:28,309 --> 01:03:25,920
we definitely and if it's even on the

1778
01:03:29,589 --> 01:03:28,319
fence like we can't really verify it you

1779
01:03:32,789 --> 01:03:29,599
know we generally don't

1780
01:03:33,990 --> 01:03:32,799
don't roll with it um like when i told

1781
01:03:36,150 --> 01:03:34,000
my original story

1782
01:03:37,589 --> 01:03:36,160
and then you know i included the fact

1783
01:03:39,029 --> 01:03:37,599
that this kid had told me we had an

1784
01:03:41,029 --> 01:03:39,039
underwater track only because that's

1785
01:03:43,190 --> 01:03:41,039
exactly what was told to me

1786
01:03:44,630 --> 01:03:43,200
and then i had one of the other sonar

1787
01:03:46,470 --> 01:03:44,640
technicians say well we

1788
01:03:48,150 --> 01:03:46,480
could not have had an active track

1789
01:03:50,950 --> 01:03:48,160
because we couldn't we weren't allowed

1790
01:03:53,029 --> 01:03:50,960
to go active during that entire event

1791
01:03:55,109 --> 01:03:53,039
now what he neglected to say is that

1792
01:03:57,029 --> 01:03:55,119
they had a passive track but he was also

1793
01:03:58,150 --> 01:03:57,039
under non-disclosure not to talk about

1794
01:04:00,390 --> 01:03:58,160
it so

1795
01:04:01,270 --> 01:04:00,400
i was all like oh man did i just hear

1796
01:04:04,470 --> 01:04:01,280
the guy wrong

1797
01:04:04,789 --> 01:04:04,480
you know what the hell you know so now i

1798
01:04:05,990 --> 01:04:04,799
uh

1799
01:04:08,870 --> 01:04:06,000
i'll be honest with you that

1800
01:04:11,029 --> 01:04:08,880
single-handedly made me feel really good

1801
01:04:12,390 --> 01:04:11,039
yeah well i was gonna say i'm so happy

1802
01:04:14,309 --> 01:04:12,400
you brought that up um

1803
01:04:15,829 --> 01:04:14,319
you know that you guys are holding each

1804
01:04:17,270 --> 01:04:15,839
other accountable

1805
01:04:19,990 --> 01:04:17,280
and you know of course even in the

1806
01:04:23,029 --> 01:04:20,000
civilian world someone like me

1807
01:04:25,510 --> 01:04:23,039
you're you you can bet your ass that me

1808
01:04:29,109 --> 01:04:25,520
and a lot of other ufo researchers

1809
01:04:31,109 --> 01:04:29,119
um did you know vet you guys before you

1810
01:04:31,430 --> 01:04:31,119
came forward with all three of you i did

1811
01:04:33,829 --> 01:04:31,440
that

1812
01:04:36,390 --> 01:04:33,839
and like i said there's a reason i have

1813
01:04:38,390 --> 01:04:36,400
you three here today is because i know

1814
01:04:39,430 --> 01:04:38,400
that you experience what you said you

1815
01:04:41,670 --> 01:04:39,440
experienced

1816
01:04:43,589 --> 01:04:41,680
and that you are who you say you are and

1817
01:04:44,549 --> 01:04:43,599
you know that's hard in the ufo field

1818
01:04:48,870 --> 01:04:44,559
where we

1819
01:04:51,589 --> 01:04:48,880
see every shape and form of

1820
01:04:52,789 --> 01:04:51,599
fraud of hoaxing of liars of

1821
01:04:55,990 --> 01:04:52,799
embellishments

1822
01:04:59,029 --> 01:04:56,000
and um exactly you know

1823
01:05:00,870 --> 01:04:59,039
fantasy-prone mental illness it all sort

1824
01:05:03,670 --> 01:05:00,880
of blends into this weird

1825
01:05:04,230 --> 01:05:03,680
ufo soup that we find ourselves in but

1826
01:05:05,990 --> 01:05:04,240
um

1827
01:05:07,270 --> 01:05:06,000
i'm glad you said that jason holding

1828
01:05:08,309 --> 01:05:07,280
yourself accountable you look at

1829
01:05:10,870 --> 01:05:08,319
something like the

1830
01:05:13,510 --> 01:05:10,880
the rendelsham forest incident where you

1831
01:05:16,710 --> 01:05:13,520
know 60 military personnel witnessed

1832
01:05:19,589 --> 01:05:16,720
a supposed craft landing in england

1833
01:05:22,069 --> 01:05:19,599
and now you can't tell up from down left

1834
01:05:25,190 --> 01:05:22,079
from right of the stories because

1835
01:05:28,630 --> 01:05:25,200
so many of them have been caught in um

1836
01:05:30,789 --> 01:05:28,640
embellishments in um you know

1837
01:05:32,069 --> 01:05:30,799
adding on to the story as the years go

1838
01:05:34,390 --> 01:05:32,079
on and look

1839
01:05:35,750 --> 01:05:34,400
that happens like you might have a

1840
01:05:37,349 --> 01:05:35,760
trigger memory of something that

1841
01:05:39,029 --> 01:05:37,359
occurred and be like oh my god like

1842
01:05:41,589 --> 01:05:39,039
there's another piece of the puzzle

1843
01:05:43,349 --> 01:05:41,599
that's fine but you know memory is

1844
01:05:45,990 --> 01:05:43,359
faulty we're all human

1845
01:05:47,349 --> 01:05:46,000
i know all three of you can't remember

1846
01:05:51,430 --> 01:05:47,359
you know

1847
01:05:53,190 --> 01:05:51,440
your shoelaces

1848
01:05:54,630 --> 01:05:53,200
the day uh you saw these things you

1849
01:05:56,789 --> 01:05:54,640
might you might actually

1850
01:05:58,710 --> 01:05:56,799
it's yeah that i was that was probably a

1851
01:05:59,990 --> 01:05:58,720
bad example you're in the navy you know

1852
01:06:02,150 --> 01:06:00,000
exactly what you were wearing

1853
01:06:03,990 --> 01:06:02,160
but you know what i mean like jc you

1854
01:06:05,829 --> 01:06:04,000
were not wearing that atlanta braves hat

1855
01:06:07,109 --> 01:06:05,839
brother when um you know you were on the

1856
01:06:09,670 --> 01:06:07,119
ship stuff like that

1857
01:06:11,510 --> 01:06:09,680
so i'm glad you guys said that we need

1858
01:06:12,069 --> 01:06:11,520
that we need that desperately in this

1859
01:06:14,309 --> 01:06:12,079
field

1860
01:06:15,589 --> 01:06:14,319
of people holding each other accountable

1861
01:06:18,230 --> 01:06:15,599
and i think that's what

1862
01:06:19,910 --> 01:06:18,240
really shines through with all you guys

1863
01:06:21,589 --> 01:06:19,920
coming forward i think um

1864
01:06:23,109 --> 01:06:21,599
you're doing an incredible job with that

1865
01:06:24,549 --> 01:06:23,119
well the good thing that

1866
01:06:26,630 --> 01:06:24,559
even even with the people that have

1867
01:06:28,710 --> 01:06:26,640
disagreed with us you know it's

1868
01:06:29,910 --> 01:06:28,720
not that they haven't disagreed with us

1869
01:06:31,829 --> 01:06:29,920
they just

1870
01:06:32,950 --> 01:06:31,839
don't believe certain events happen the

1871
01:06:34,870 --> 01:06:32,960
way they did

1872
01:06:36,230 --> 01:06:34,880
it's not about whether the event

1873
01:06:38,069 --> 01:06:36,240
happened or

1874
01:06:39,990 --> 01:06:38,079
you know it's like i think like with my

1875
01:06:41,510 --> 01:06:40,000
story i think a big point of contention

1876
01:06:43,029 --> 01:06:41,520
is whether or not my tapes were taken

1877
01:06:44,950 --> 01:06:43,039
and i'm like

1878
01:06:47,510 --> 01:06:44,960
why is that a big deal i mean it

1879
01:06:49,670 --> 01:06:47,520
happened and

1880
01:06:51,510 --> 01:06:49,680
did you not expect somebody to come and

1881
01:06:54,390 --> 01:06:51,520
get them

1882
01:06:55,829 --> 01:06:54,400
you know it's it's we you know unlike pj

1883
01:06:58,309 --> 01:06:55,839
where they literally just said

1884
01:07:00,230 --> 01:06:58,319
give us these then there was no chain of

1885
01:07:01,109 --> 01:07:00,240
evidence or you know they didn't sign

1886
01:07:03,829 --> 01:07:01,119
them out

1887
01:07:05,430 --> 01:07:03,839
you know i actually signed arse out to

1888
01:07:07,029 --> 01:07:05,440
somebody they don't

1889
01:07:08,470 --> 01:07:07,039
didn't tell me who they were the hell

1890
01:07:10,470 --> 01:07:08,480
the guys

1891
01:07:11,670 --> 01:07:10,480
didn't even make eye contact with me i

1892
01:07:13,190 --> 01:07:11,680
mean they basically just

1893
01:07:14,710 --> 01:07:13,200
stood off to the side and waited for me

1894
01:07:16,309 --> 01:07:14,720
to sign everything and then they take

1895
01:07:16,710 --> 01:07:16,319
tapes they turned around and walked off

1896
01:07:18,309 --> 01:07:16,720
and

1897
01:07:20,150 --> 01:07:18,319
i can only assume they're the same guys

1898
01:07:23,430 --> 01:07:20,160
that came on and you know

1899
01:07:28,630 --> 01:07:23,440
debriefed the uh all the sonar guys

1900
01:07:31,670 --> 01:07:28,640
uh so it uh it had a real

1901
01:07:33,349 --> 01:07:31,680
just cold vibe to it um and this was the

1902
01:07:34,710 --> 01:07:33,359
second time i've ever had my data

1903
01:07:36,549 --> 01:07:34,720
recording taken

1904
01:07:39,829 --> 01:07:36,559
the first time was when we actually had

1905
01:07:43,270 --> 01:07:39,839
a crash during a a vehicle crash uh a

1906
01:07:44,150 --> 01:07:43,280
airplane air aircraft came down and they

1907
01:07:46,789 --> 01:07:44,160
came

1908
01:07:47,190 --> 01:07:46,799
and took the debt recordings and now i

1909
01:07:49,029 --> 01:07:47,200
was

1910
01:07:50,950 --> 01:07:49,039
there when we installed most of these

1911
01:07:51,990 --> 01:07:50,960
systems that we put in so i knew a lot

1912
01:07:54,870 --> 01:07:52,000
of the tech reps

1913
01:07:56,549 --> 01:07:54,880
um then i knew these guys that came on

1914
01:07:57,190 --> 01:07:56,559
board they came on they're like yeah you

1915
01:07:59,270 --> 01:07:57,200
know we're

1916
01:08:00,390 --> 01:07:59,280
we're looking for the crash data and you

1917
01:08:01,270 --> 01:08:00,400
know they told you know we had a

1918
01:08:04,630 --> 01:08:01,280
conversation

1919
01:08:05,109 --> 01:08:04,640
it was very a lot a lot more pleasant

1920
01:08:06,950 --> 01:08:05,119
and

1921
01:08:08,870 --> 01:08:06,960
you know they signed it over to him as

1922
01:08:09,750 --> 01:08:08,880
you know as authorized and you know and

1923
01:08:11,349 --> 01:08:09,760
then

1924
01:08:13,510 --> 01:08:11,359
they they took the tapes they went on

1925
01:08:16,950 --> 01:08:13,520
their merry way this was just

1926
01:08:20,070 --> 01:08:16,960
super clinical no eye contact just

1927
01:08:22,070 --> 01:08:20,080
you know snatch the tapes walk away is

1928
01:08:23,829 --> 01:08:22,080
that when the prowler went down

1929
01:08:25,749 --> 01:08:23,839
yeah yeah that's that's when the pr the

1930
01:08:26,229 --> 01:08:25,759
prowler gone down we we were searching

1931
01:08:32,550 --> 01:08:26,239
for

1932
01:08:33,590 --> 01:08:32,560
vbss team out there pulling trash out of

1933
01:08:35,510 --> 01:08:33,600
the ocean

1934
01:08:36,829 --> 01:08:35,520
everybody i think all hands on deck for

1935
01:08:39,349 --> 01:08:36,839
that one

1936
01:08:40,870 --> 01:08:39,359
um we're scooping stuff out of the ocean

1937
01:08:44,470 --> 01:08:40,880
for a while for that one

1938
01:08:46,070 --> 01:08:44,480
but uh it was uh you know a whole

1939
01:08:48,550 --> 01:08:46,080
different experience when they came and

1940
01:08:52,470 --> 01:08:48,560
took the data recording after this event

1941
01:08:54,070 --> 01:08:52,480
so that's that's telling

1942
01:08:55,990 --> 01:08:54,080
yeah it was a big big bigger point of

1943
01:08:57,430 --> 01:08:56,000
contention that's that's honestly the

1944
01:08:59,030 --> 01:08:57,440
only reason i remember it

1945
01:09:01,430 --> 01:08:59,040
and the fact that it was the only thing

1946
01:09:03,829 --> 01:09:01,440
i ended up signing so

1947
01:09:04,550 --> 01:09:03,839
interesting thanks for sharing that gary

1948
01:09:06,630 --> 01:09:04,560
um

1949
01:09:08,870 --> 01:09:06,640
well my last personal question for you

1950
01:09:11,990 --> 01:09:08,880
guys and then i will fire through these

1951
01:09:13,030 --> 01:09:12,000
these audience questions for you um the

1952
01:09:15,910 --> 01:09:13,040
pentagon

1953
01:09:17,110 --> 01:09:15,920
uap task force i never thought i would

1954
01:09:20,149 --> 01:09:17,120
be saying that

1955
01:09:23,030 --> 01:09:20,159
that the pentagon is now

1956
01:09:23,910 --> 01:09:23,040
kind of publicly investigating ufos we

1957
01:09:26,149 --> 01:09:23,920
had a tip

1958
01:09:27,269 --> 01:09:26,159
we had project blue book i'm sure there

1959
01:09:29,189 --> 01:09:27,279
are a lot of other

1960
01:09:30,950 --> 01:09:29,199
programs that were going on at some

1961
01:09:32,470 --> 01:09:30,960
point um

1962
01:09:35,430 --> 01:09:32,480
i want to get all of your thoughts on

1963
01:09:38,709 --> 01:09:35,440
this we just saw in the new york times

1964
01:09:40,870 --> 01:09:38,719
that um you know the classified report

1965
01:09:42,229 --> 01:09:40,880
is ready to go to congress um they're

1966
01:09:45,430 --> 01:09:42,239
working on the

1967
01:09:46,149 --> 01:09:45,440
possibly declassified section of it for

1968
01:09:48,390 --> 01:09:46,159
the public

1969
01:09:50,309 --> 01:09:48,400
um but that's up for debate if we're

1970
01:09:50,950 --> 01:09:50,319
gonna see anything so what do you guys

1971
01:09:52,630 --> 01:09:50,960
think

1972
01:09:54,470 --> 01:09:52,640
uh matthew let's start with you man what

1973
01:09:57,669 --> 01:09:54,480
do you make of this

1974
01:09:59,189 --> 01:09:57,679
2021 pentagon task force and this report

1975
01:09:59,750 --> 01:09:59,199
that we're supposed to get now bear in

1976
01:10:02,870 --> 01:09:59,760
mind

1977
01:10:05,270 --> 01:10:02,880
uh we're recording this early i believe

1978
01:10:07,110 --> 01:10:05,280
this is going to air at contact in the

1979
01:10:08,229 --> 01:10:07,120
desert the day of the report's going to

1980
01:10:09,030 --> 01:10:08,239
come out so this is going to be

1981
01:10:11,750 --> 01:10:09,040
interesting

1982
01:10:13,430 --> 01:10:11,760
so i guess predictions should we expect

1983
01:10:14,870 --> 01:10:13,440
anything from this uh with your

1984
01:10:17,189 --> 01:10:14,880
experience matthew

1985
01:10:19,830 --> 01:10:17,199
um and your insights into this with the

1986
01:10:23,270 --> 01:10:19,840
uap task force in the report

1987
01:10:25,430 --> 01:10:23,280
you know when i was at oni i worked for

1988
01:10:27,270 --> 01:10:25,440
the command within o and i where the

1989
01:10:30,709 --> 01:10:27,280
task force

1990
01:10:36,070 --> 01:10:30,719
uh was so i

1991
01:10:41,270 --> 01:10:39,430
and they are great people

1992
01:10:43,110 --> 01:10:41,280
and i know what i would love to see in

1993
01:10:44,870 --> 01:10:43,120
that report

1994
01:10:47,750 --> 01:10:44,880
i'm not sure that that's gonna be in

1995
01:10:51,350 --> 01:10:47,760
there though uh

1996
01:10:53,590 --> 01:10:51,360
we'll really have to see i mean

1997
01:10:54,950 --> 01:10:53,600
i kind of feel like the public is ready

1998
01:10:58,470 --> 01:10:54,960
for anything

1999
01:11:00,310 --> 01:10:58,480
and i think that none of this should be

2000
01:11:03,750 --> 01:11:00,320
behind closed doors

2001
01:11:06,790 --> 01:11:03,760
um i i've always said that

2002
01:11:09,270 --> 01:11:06,800
um i've always believed that

2003
01:11:11,750 --> 01:11:09,280
um i think it's up to people to make up

2004
01:11:14,630 --> 01:11:11,760
their own minds as to what they

2005
01:11:15,750 --> 01:11:14,640
want to believe um when the whole truth

2006
01:11:19,669 --> 01:11:15,760
does come out

2007
01:11:22,630 --> 01:11:19,679
um i would like to see

2008
01:11:23,669 --> 01:11:22,640
i i would like to see full transparency

2009
01:11:25,430 --> 01:11:23,679
that's what i want

2010
01:11:27,110 --> 01:11:25,440
ultimately i don't know that that's what

2011
01:11:29,510 --> 01:11:27,120
we're gonna get

2012
01:11:32,070 --> 01:11:29,520
with this report we'll have to see

2013
01:11:33,990 --> 01:11:32,080
there's national security that's one

2014
01:11:36,630 --> 01:11:34,000
reason that things have to remain

2015
01:11:39,270 --> 01:11:36,640
classified so i understand that but um

2016
01:11:40,870 --> 01:11:39,280
yeah i'm i'm looking forward to anything

2017
01:11:42,310 --> 01:11:40,880
coming out of this report and it's

2018
01:11:43,189 --> 01:11:42,320
really interesting matthew you mentioned

2019
01:11:44,630 --> 01:11:43,199
you know

2020
01:11:46,550 --> 01:11:44,640
uh some of the people that might

2021
01:11:47,430 --> 01:11:46,560
possibly be working in this task force

2022
01:11:50,470 --> 01:11:47,440
we know

2023
01:11:52,950 --> 01:11:50,480
uh luis elizondo the former atip

2024
01:11:54,550 --> 01:11:52,960
uh program director uh knows these

2025
01:11:55,830 --> 01:11:54,560
people and all of you can attest that

2026
01:11:57,830 --> 01:11:55,840
these are good people

2027
01:11:59,430 --> 01:11:57,840
and they're they're doing they're doing

2028
01:12:02,870 --> 01:11:59,440
the job they were

2029
01:12:04,550 --> 01:12:02,880
tasked to do so um thank you for that if

2030
01:12:07,030 --> 01:12:04,560
any of them happen to be watching

2031
01:12:08,870 --> 01:12:07,040
listening or come across this uh thank

2032
01:12:10,630 --> 01:12:08,880
you i know it can't be easy

2033
01:12:11,910 --> 01:12:10,640
you know they again they didn't go into

2034
01:12:14,310 --> 01:12:11,920
the pentagon thinking they'd ever be

2035
01:12:15,750 --> 01:12:14,320
working a ufo program so i'm

2036
01:12:17,510 --> 01:12:15,760
sure they're getting a crash course

2037
01:12:19,430 --> 01:12:17,520
right now but uh yeah

2038
01:12:21,110 --> 01:12:19,440
um gary let's go with you next brother

2039
01:12:24,229 --> 01:12:21,120
um what do you think's gonna happen

2040
01:12:27,350 --> 01:12:24,239
with a uap report well

2041
01:12:29,430 --> 01:12:27,360
yeah we got a saying everywhere that's

2042
01:12:33,030 --> 01:12:29,440
uh you know blue collar you know

2043
01:12:35,430 --> 01:12:33,040
crap in one hand and hoping the other um

2044
01:12:37,110 --> 01:12:35,440
i i hope for everything i hope full

2045
01:12:39,510 --> 01:12:37,120
transparency disclosure

2046
01:12:40,470 --> 01:12:39,520
and when i say disclosure what i mean is

2047
01:12:42,390 --> 01:12:40,480
uh

2048
01:12:43,669 --> 01:12:42,400
you know the cat's out of the bag so why

2049
01:12:45,830 --> 01:12:43,679
don't we go ahead and just

2050
01:12:47,030 --> 01:12:45,840
pull the cat all the way out not to show

2051
01:12:50,550 --> 01:12:47,040
you its head and say yep

2052
01:12:52,709 --> 01:12:50,560
cat and stick it back in the bag um but

2053
01:12:54,550 --> 01:12:52,719
i got a feeling that we're going to get

2054
01:12:57,030 --> 01:12:54,560
as far as

2055
01:12:58,709 --> 01:12:57,040
them admitting that unknown aerial

2056
01:13:00,310 --> 01:12:58,719
phenomenon exists i think they're just

2057
01:13:01,910 --> 01:13:00,320
going to keep with that

2058
01:13:04,070 --> 01:13:01,920
it's going to be another level of

2059
01:13:07,510 --> 01:13:04,080
control another level

2060
01:13:09,270 --> 01:13:07,520
of insulation um because honestly

2061
01:13:11,910 --> 01:13:09,280
if they came out and said that they knew

2062
01:13:14,790 --> 01:13:11,920
about all of this stuff since the 50s

2063
01:13:17,030 --> 01:13:14,800
you would end up having a lot a

2064
01:13:18,390 --> 01:13:17,040
liability

2065
01:13:20,149 --> 01:13:18,400
just nightmare i mean there's so many

2066
01:13:21,110 --> 01:13:20,159
people that lives have been ruined over

2067
01:13:23,270 --> 01:13:21,120
this whole thing

2068
01:13:24,950 --> 01:13:23,280
uh people have been murdered people have

2069
01:13:27,270 --> 01:13:24,960
taken their own lives

2070
01:13:28,470 --> 01:13:27,280
you know careers were ruined i mean

2071
01:13:30,870 --> 01:13:28,480
they'd be on the hook

2072
01:13:32,070 --> 01:13:30,880
for a lot of that stuff i mean granted

2073
01:13:34,149 --> 01:13:32,080
they'd they'd be granted

2074
01:13:35,910 --> 01:13:34,159
some you know a lot of protections

2075
01:13:39,189 --> 01:13:35,920
against being sued and stuff

2076
01:13:41,669 --> 01:13:39,199
but there would be people yelling for

2077
01:13:43,430 --> 01:13:41,679
accountability they'd be yelling very

2078
01:13:44,390 --> 01:13:43,440
loud for accountability

2079
01:13:45,750 --> 01:13:44,400
and i don't think they're going to do

2080
01:13:47,430 --> 01:13:45,760
that i think what they're going to do is

2081
01:13:51,030 --> 01:13:47,440
they say okay well

2082
01:13:53,830 --> 01:13:51,040
from 2004 on we'll admit yeah oh yeah

2083
01:13:54,470 --> 01:13:53,840
crazy stuff happening we don't know what

2084
01:13:57,669 --> 01:13:54,480
it is

2085
01:13:59,430 --> 01:13:57,679
don't ask us and then that's it yeah i

2086
01:14:01,189 --> 01:13:59,440
think that's all we're going to get

2087
01:14:02,630 --> 01:14:01,199
i think that's you know that's going to

2088
01:14:06,470 --> 01:14:02,640
be the end of the story

2089
01:14:10,229 --> 01:14:06,480
and then they might give you like maybe

2090
01:14:13,669 --> 01:14:10,239
a handful more a grainy [\h__\h] footage

2091
01:14:15,270 --> 01:14:13,679
you know yeah yeah and then every once

2092
01:14:16,709 --> 01:14:15,280
in a while maybe a couple times a year

2093
01:14:19,350 --> 01:14:16,719
just say oh yeah we got a

2094
01:14:21,750 --> 01:14:19,360
new gimbal video or uh we got a another

2095
01:14:23,510 --> 01:14:21,760
go fast or we got a you know another

2096
01:14:25,590 --> 01:14:23,520
uh you know just to just to keep keep

2097
01:14:26,470 --> 01:14:25,600
you interested and happy but not so much

2098
01:14:29,270 --> 01:14:26,480
that you're gonna start

2099
01:14:31,430 --> 01:14:29,280
you know pushing congress again and the

2100
01:14:31,750 --> 01:14:31,440
unclassified report i think is going to

2101
01:14:34,790 --> 01:14:31,760
be

2102
01:14:36,229 --> 01:14:34,800
relatively uh or the classified report i

2103
01:14:37,590 --> 01:14:36,239
think is going to be just as benign

2104
01:14:38,950 --> 01:14:37,600
except it'll have like

2105
01:14:40,830 --> 01:14:38,960
a little bit of meat and potatoes in

2106
01:14:43,510 --> 01:14:40,840
there just to keep keep the senators

2107
01:14:46,630 --> 01:14:43,520
happy um you know something like

2108
01:14:47,270 --> 01:14:46,640
you know we've got all the radar data

2109
01:14:49,110 --> 01:14:47,280
we've got

2110
01:14:50,870 --> 01:14:49,120
all these footages and we've have

2111
01:14:53,110 --> 01:14:50,880
thousands of hours of video

2112
01:14:54,870 --> 01:14:53,120
you know we've got we've got tons of

2113
01:14:56,149 --> 01:14:54,880
stuff that we're still sifting through

2114
01:14:56,950 --> 01:14:56,159
you know that's what they're going to be

2115
01:14:59,189 --> 01:14:56,960
told

2116
01:15:00,709 --> 01:14:59,199
and then then they'll show them some

2117
01:15:03,189 --> 01:15:00,719
super clear

2118
01:15:05,510 --> 01:15:03,199
super crisp version of a video that got

2119
01:15:07,350 --> 01:15:05,520
out and then they'd be like

2120
01:15:08,870 --> 01:15:07,360
okay we can't talk about this okay these

2121
01:15:09,990 --> 01:15:08,880
are demons we're not going to talk about

2122
01:15:14,070 --> 01:15:10,000
this

2123
01:15:15,910 --> 01:15:14,080
they can't handle it

2124
01:15:19,350 --> 01:15:15,920
and then it's going to you know pretty

2125
01:15:21,590 --> 01:15:19,360
much be another 60 years of [\h__\h]

2126
01:15:23,270 --> 01:15:21,600
interesting i love the cynical nature of

2127
01:15:24,070 --> 01:15:23,280
that man and i don't mean that in a bad

2128
01:15:27,110 --> 01:15:24,080
way i really

2129
01:15:28,470 --> 01:15:27,120
don't um and yes one man's demon is

2130
01:15:32,149 --> 01:15:28,480
another man's alien

2131
01:15:33,910 --> 01:15:32,159
if uh you know jacques valet or young or

2132
01:15:35,510 --> 01:15:33,920
any of those guys have told us like

2133
01:15:38,470 --> 01:15:35,520
we're dealing with in

2134
01:15:40,550 --> 01:15:38,480
evolution in the cultural perception of

2135
01:15:43,189 --> 01:15:40,560
these phenomena and i think that's

2136
01:15:44,630 --> 01:15:43,199
so cool and um i i could just talk about

2137
01:15:46,149 --> 01:15:44,640
that with you guys but um

2138
01:15:48,310 --> 01:15:46,159
let's get to these listener questions

2139
01:15:49,350 --> 01:15:48,320
but before that jason how about you man

2140
01:15:51,189 --> 01:15:49,360
what do you think what's going to come

2141
01:15:53,510 --> 01:15:51,199
on this uap task force are you with

2142
01:15:55,189 --> 01:15:53,520
gary i think i think what a lot of

2143
01:15:57,750 --> 01:15:55,199
people um

2144
01:15:59,990 --> 01:15:57,760
have been i've been noticing on you know

2145
01:16:01,669 --> 01:16:00,000
social media is why now

2146
01:16:03,270 --> 01:16:01,679
why are we you know why are they all of

2147
01:16:06,950 --> 01:16:03,280
a sudden why is it

2148
01:16:10,229 --> 01:16:06,960
now okay to talk about this um and and

2149
01:16:13,669 --> 01:16:10,239
for me i i think on a more logical um

2150
01:16:14,470 --> 01:16:13,679
plane here is that um we we have this

2151
01:16:17,990 --> 01:16:14,480
brand new

2152
01:16:19,830 --> 01:16:18,000
um space force that needs funding

2153
01:16:23,030 --> 01:16:19,840
and what better way to drive home the

2154
01:16:26,470 --> 01:16:23,040
idea that they need money

2155
01:16:28,229 --> 01:16:26,480
than to to declassify some things and um

2156
01:16:30,550 --> 01:16:28,239
you know to protect them protect the

2157
01:16:34,390 --> 01:16:30,560
best way to do it make a threat

2158
01:16:38,229 --> 01:16:34,400
yeah so and that's where i'm at you know

2159
01:16:39,590 --> 01:16:38,239
i i put i toyed around with the idea for

2160
01:16:42,310 --> 01:16:39,600
a while of why now

2161
01:16:43,430 --> 01:16:42,320
why is it why is it now the big the big

2162
01:16:45,350 --> 01:16:43,440
topic

2163
01:16:46,550 --> 01:16:45,360
and um i think there's a lot of damage

2164
01:16:48,470 --> 01:16:46,560
control going on

2165
01:16:49,590 --> 01:16:48,480
but i also feel like you know there's

2166
01:16:50,630 --> 01:16:49,600
there's a lot of people that need to be

2167
01:16:55,030 --> 01:16:50,640
funded

2168
01:16:56,709 --> 01:16:55,040
and you know politics has its way

2169
01:16:58,390 --> 01:16:56,719
oh yeah the best best way to fund

2170
01:17:02,070 --> 01:16:58,400
anything is make people scared of it

2171
01:17:03,350 --> 01:17:02,080
um you're absolutely right jason ed the

2172
01:17:05,510 --> 01:17:03,360
other thought i just had when you were

2173
01:17:07,350 --> 01:17:05,520
saying that is that why now

2174
01:17:08,950 --> 01:17:07,360
um well we're not the only players

2175
01:17:11,430 --> 01:17:08,960
anymore we're not the big dogs

2176
01:17:11,990 --> 01:17:11,440
i mean we're still the one the big dog

2177
01:17:15,189 --> 01:17:12,000
but

2178
01:17:16,630 --> 01:17:15,199
china's huge japan's huge

2179
01:17:18,630 --> 01:17:16,640
you know we still have all these first

2180
01:17:20,550 --> 01:17:18,640
world countries but now all of a sudden

2181
01:17:22,310 --> 01:17:20,560
for the first time technology is

2182
01:17:24,550 --> 01:17:22,320
starting to catch up in some of these

2183
01:17:26,310 --> 01:17:24,560
second and third world countries you

2184
01:17:28,550 --> 01:17:26,320
know we're seeing

2185
01:17:30,870 --> 01:17:28,560
crazy stuff out of south america we're

2186
01:17:32,630 --> 01:17:30,880
seeing crazy stuff out of africa

2187
01:17:35,510 --> 01:17:32,640
you know we're staying i mean these

2188
01:17:36,950 --> 01:17:35,520
places where there is no regulation

2189
01:17:39,030 --> 01:17:36,960
i mean basically as long as you could

2190
01:17:41,030 --> 01:17:39,040
smuggle it out

2191
01:17:43,430 --> 01:17:41,040
you're getting this information and some

2192
01:17:46,070 --> 01:17:43,440
in some situations like in south america

2193
01:17:46,870 --> 01:17:46,080
they have no qualms saying hey hey i

2194
01:17:47,189 --> 01:17:46,880
don't know what you guys are talking

2195
01:17:49,430 --> 01:17:47,199
about

2196
01:17:50,950 --> 01:17:49,440
we're seeing all kinds of crazy [\h__\h] you

2197
01:17:54,950 --> 01:17:50,960
know

2198
01:17:56,550 --> 01:17:54,960
players starting to come out and

2199
01:17:58,229 --> 01:17:56,560
basically just saying your

2200
01:17:59,750 --> 01:17:58,239
your country's nuts for not talking

2201
01:18:01,510 --> 01:17:59,760
about this you know they start to lose

2202
01:18:03,430 --> 01:18:01,520
face themselves too

2203
01:18:04,950 --> 01:18:03,440
you know we i've said it before we've

2204
01:18:07,189 --> 01:18:04,960
got over 40 different

2205
01:18:08,709 --> 01:18:07,199
countries doing now space programs now

2206
01:18:12,550 --> 01:18:08,719
whether that's just

2207
01:18:15,910 --> 01:18:12,560
a space program to develop something or

2208
01:18:17,189 --> 01:18:15,920
actually putting satellites up you know

2209
01:18:19,830 --> 01:18:17,199
this is you know we're starting to

2210
01:18:21,750 --> 01:18:19,840
becoming a world of players rather than

2211
01:18:25,270 --> 01:18:21,760
just a world where you have four

2212
01:18:27,910 --> 01:18:25,280
big countries running everything

2213
01:18:29,270 --> 01:18:27,920
i think we need some serious uh

2214
01:18:32,310 --> 01:18:29,280
investigative work

2215
01:18:35,030 --> 01:18:32,320
you know to be done by independent

2216
01:18:36,790 --> 01:18:35,040
sources and and i don't and what i mean

2217
01:18:37,669 --> 01:18:36,800
by that is like we can't have the

2218
01:18:41,430 --> 01:18:37,679
government

2219
01:18:41,990 --> 01:18:41,440
involved in anything it always screws it

2220
01:18:46,709 --> 01:18:42,000
up

2221
01:18:49,590 --> 01:18:46,719
period and you know

2222
01:18:50,149 --> 01:18:49,600
you need to have people just regular

2223
01:18:53,350 --> 01:18:50,159
people

2224
01:18:55,350 --> 01:18:53,360
out here investigating these things

2225
01:18:56,790 --> 01:18:55,360
because you know we're going to come

2226
01:18:59,270 --> 01:18:56,800
back and tell you the truth

2227
01:19:02,630 --> 01:18:59,280
maybe like a group of uh scientists and

2228
01:19:06,950 --> 01:19:04,470
we're getting there i know where that's

2229
01:19:10,310 --> 01:19:06,960
heading yeah for sorry i had to

2230
01:19:13,030 --> 01:19:10,320
you led me right into it jason

2231
01:19:13,990 --> 01:19:13,040
yeah no very good points guys and um

2232
01:19:16,310 --> 01:19:14,000
you're right you know

2233
01:19:18,229 --> 01:19:16,320
and again the government's made up of

2234
01:19:19,990 --> 01:19:18,239
thousands and thousands of people with

2235
01:19:22,229 --> 01:19:20,000
their own belief systems

2236
01:19:24,630 --> 01:19:22,239
their own approaches to these topics you

2237
01:19:27,510 --> 01:19:24,640
know you mentioned that a portion of

2238
01:19:28,950 --> 01:19:27,520
uh the pentagon or excuse me possibly

2239
01:19:31,110 --> 01:19:28,960
the department of defense

2240
01:19:32,630 --> 01:19:31,120
when you know they first got funding for

2241
01:19:34,550 --> 01:19:32,640
this a-tip program

2242
01:19:36,550 --> 01:19:34,560
a lot of them were scared because they

2243
01:19:38,630 --> 01:19:36,560
were ultra religious

2244
01:19:39,910 --> 01:19:38,640
and they thought that these phenomena

2245
01:19:41,910 --> 01:19:39,920
could possibly be

2246
01:19:43,990 --> 01:19:41,920
demonic in nature and some people might

2247
01:19:44,550 --> 01:19:44,000
laugh at something like that a theory

2248
01:19:46,790 --> 01:19:44,560
like that

2249
01:19:47,750 --> 01:19:46,800
but these guys and women were very

2250
01:19:49,350 --> 01:19:47,760
serious

2251
01:19:51,830 --> 01:19:49,360
that they thought some of this could be

2252
01:19:54,070 --> 01:19:51,840
evil you know so remember a lot of the

2253
01:19:56,149 --> 01:19:54,080
you know a lot of the people that end up

2254
01:19:56,630 --> 01:19:56,159
in politics are very devout christians

2255
01:19:59,350 --> 01:19:56,640
they're very

2256
01:20:01,030 --> 01:19:59,360
devout catholics protestants uh and

2257
01:20:02,630 --> 01:20:01,040
myself i'm a saved christian

2258
01:20:04,630 --> 01:20:02,640
and you know i've said that all the way

2259
01:20:06,229 --> 01:20:04,640
through and it's you know surprises a

2260
01:20:09,189 --> 01:20:06,239
lot of people but

2261
01:20:11,030 --> 01:20:09,199
you know just because god made aliens or

2262
01:20:12,950 --> 01:20:11,040
god made off world beings or

2263
01:20:15,669 --> 01:20:12,960
transdimensional beings or that he

2264
01:20:17,110 --> 01:20:15,679
created a universe with multiples of

2265
01:20:19,510 --> 01:20:17,120
life

2266
01:20:21,510 --> 01:20:19,520
he still made us in his image so i'm

2267
01:20:23,750 --> 01:20:21,520
still cool with that

2268
01:20:26,229 --> 01:20:23,760
i'm cool with that too man i remember i

2269
01:20:26,790 --> 01:20:26,239
uh asked my catholic priest when i was a

2270
01:20:28,950 --> 01:20:26,800
kid

2271
01:20:30,870 --> 01:20:28,960
is it okay for me to be looking into

2272
01:20:32,550 --> 01:20:30,880
this ufo stuff like

2273
01:20:34,470 --> 01:20:32,560
is it all right to believe that there's

2274
01:20:36,229 --> 01:20:34,480
other life out there and just like you

2275
01:20:38,070 --> 01:20:36,239
said he told me of course

2276
01:20:40,070 --> 01:20:38,080
like it just means the creator is more

2277
01:20:42,310 --> 01:20:40,080
powerful than we could ever imagine

2278
01:20:43,510 --> 01:20:42,320
so you know in terms of what might be in

2279
01:20:46,229 --> 01:20:43,520
this report

2280
01:20:47,350 --> 01:20:46,239
there was an article that came out that

2281
01:20:51,030 --> 01:20:47,360
said that

2282
01:20:54,550 --> 01:20:51,040
you know um could be other countries

2283
01:20:57,990 --> 01:20:54,560
could be aliens they can't rule that out

2284
01:21:00,470 --> 01:20:58,000
i think that uh the idea of

2285
01:21:02,070 --> 01:21:00,480
proving that it's aliens and i don't

2286
01:21:04,470 --> 01:21:02,080
think a lot of people think about this

2287
01:21:05,669 --> 01:21:04,480
but that is a much higher threshold to

2288
01:21:09,430 --> 01:21:05,679
prove that

2289
01:21:11,590 --> 01:21:09,440
um so if you're gonna say it's aliens

2290
01:21:13,270 --> 01:21:11,600
and it's not from this planet

2291
01:21:15,189 --> 01:21:13,280
that would mean that you've got some

2292
01:21:16,870 --> 01:21:15,199
evidence that

2293
01:21:18,470 --> 01:21:16,880
they came from some other planet and how

2294
01:21:19,990 --> 01:21:18,480
would you have that unless

2295
01:21:22,470 --> 01:21:20,000
unless you went to that planet and you

2296
01:21:23,910 --> 01:21:22,480
saw oh these beings are crawling all

2297
01:21:24,950 --> 01:21:23,920
over that planet so this is where

2298
01:21:27,590 --> 01:21:24,960
they're from

2299
01:21:28,229 --> 01:21:27,600
we we won't have that evidence we won't

2300
01:21:31,830 --> 01:21:28,239
have that

2301
01:21:32,470 --> 01:21:31,840
so i think you know it might be a better

2302
01:21:35,510 --> 01:21:32,480
question

2303
01:21:36,870 --> 01:21:35,520
instead of using aliens as the term we

2304
01:21:38,709 --> 01:21:36,880
used to describe this is

2305
01:21:40,070 --> 01:21:38,719
uh maybe we should ask the question is

2306
01:21:42,950 --> 01:21:40,080
it non-human

2307
01:21:45,189 --> 01:21:42,960
um i think that would be something with

2308
01:21:48,390 --> 01:21:45,199
a more accurate answer

2309
01:21:49,030 --> 01:21:48,400
um matthew you're absolutely right

2310
01:21:51,669 --> 01:21:49,040
because

2311
01:21:52,229 --> 01:21:51,679
yeah it doesn't have to be off world i

2312
01:21:54,790 --> 01:21:52,239
mean

2313
01:21:56,550 --> 01:21:54,800
yeah there could have been a very

2314
01:21:57,590 --> 01:21:56,560
advanced civilization living right next

2315
01:21:59,750 --> 01:21:57,600
to us and until

2316
01:22:01,030 --> 01:21:59,760
just now we wouldn't have had even the

2317
01:22:02,629 --> 01:22:01,040
technology didn't even know that they're

2318
01:22:05,430 --> 01:22:02,639
here and if they're really

2319
01:22:07,750 --> 01:22:05,440
thousands of years ahead of us in tech

2320
01:22:12,550 --> 01:22:10,390
why would you even think that you would

2321
01:22:14,550 --> 01:22:12,560
know that they're here

2322
01:22:16,070 --> 01:22:14,560
yeah and they could be the original

2323
01:22:20,550 --> 01:22:16,080
inhabitants of this planet and we just

2324
01:22:24,149 --> 01:22:22,470
well i think such a good thing yeah

2325
01:22:26,470 --> 01:22:24,159
there needs to be some uh

2326
01:22:27,270 --> 01:22:26,480
some you know to be able to to disprove

2327
01:22:28,870 --> 01:22:27,280
certain things

2328
01:22:30,790 --> 01:22:28,880
because like we're just learning about

2329
01:22:33,270 --> 01:22:30,800
sprites i don't know if you

2330
01:22:34,149 --> 01:22:33,280
if you even know what a sprite is but

2331
01:22:37,590 --> 01:22:34,159
like um

2332
01:22:39,270 --> 01:22:37,600
you know besides a soft drink yeah sorry

2333
01:22:40,950 --> 01:22:39,280
over the past 10 years i mean they

2334
01:22:41,590 --> 01:22:40,960
they've they've just now caught these

2335
01:22:44,950 --> 01:22:41,600
things

2336
01:22:46,629 --> 01:22:44,960
on camera and it's it's electro

2337
01:22:49,430 --> 01:22:46,639
electrons that are coming from the

2338
01:22:50,950 --> 01:22:49,440
the stratosphere and shooting downward

2339
01:22:51,990 --> 01:22:50,960
so like they're still like

2340
01:22:53,430 --> 01:22:52,000
you know there's still weather

2341
01:22:54,709 --> 01:22:53,440
phenomenons that we don't even

2342
01:22:56,950 --> 01:22:54,719
understand

2343
01:22:58,470 --> 01:22:56,960
and i'm not i'm not you know throwing

2344
01:22:59,830 --> 01:22:58,480
this off as just a weather phenomenon

2345
01:23:02,070 --> 01:22:59,840
what i'm saying is is there

2346
01:23:03,510 --> 01:23:02,080
there needs to be actual research into

2347
01:23:04,830 --> 01:23:03,520
these things what is it

2348
01:23:07,350 --> 01:23:04,840
where does it come from where does it

2349
01:23:09,750 --> 01:23:07,360
originate you know and if we can then

2350
01:23:12,070 --> 01:23:09,760
you know prove or disprove through uh

2351
01:23:12,550 --> 01:23:12,080
you know different types of um you know

2352
01:23:15,189 --> 01:23:12,560
like

2353
01:23:17,270 --> 01:23:15,199
through dark matter or whatnot then hey

2354
01:23:19,510 --> 01:23:17,280
let's do that let's let's

2355
01:23:21,590 --> 01:23:19,520
let's take out you know look at every

2356
01:23:23,510 --> 01:23:21,600
variable and then

2357
01:23:24,790 --> 01:23:23,520
work our way through that you know and

2358
01:23:26,629 --> 01:23:24,800
go through the observables

2359
01:23:28,070 --> 01:23:26,639
and find out exactly what we're looking

2360
01:23:29,990 --> 01:23:28,080
at because if

2361
01:23:32,149 --> 01:23:30,000
you know with full transparency that's

2362
01:23:35,270 --> 01:23:32,159
gonna that's gonna allow us to

2363
01:23:36,390 --> 01:23:35,280
to then put our money in there

2364
01:23:38,870 --> 01:23:36,400
you know like and i'm not talking about

2365
01:23:40,709 --> 01:23:38,880
our physical money but our equipment

2366
01:23:42,149 --> 01:23:40,719
and to be able to understand what it is

2367
01:23:44,149 --> 01:23:42,159
that we're dealing with

2368
01:23:45,430 --> 01:23:44,159
because it just being able to understand

2369
01:23:47,510 --> 01:23:45,440
it now you're

2370
01:23:48,709 --> 01:23:47,520
you know you can you can put a name to

2371
01:23:49,990 --> 01:23:48,719
it and i think that's what a lot of

2372
01:23:52,709 --> 01:23:50,000
people really want it's just

2373
01:23:53,990 --> 01:23:52,719
what is it put a name on it i'm so happy

2374
01:23:56,310 --> 01:23:54,000
you brought up the five

2375
01:23:58,709 --> 01:23:56,320
observables and and everything like that

2376
01:24:01,990 --> 01:23:58,719
jason because this ufo topic

2377
01:24:03,910 --> 01:24:02,000
has always mirrored our aspirations

2378
01:24:05,030 --> 01:24:03,920
as human beings when it comes to science

2379
01:24:08,310 --> 01:24:05,040
when it comes to

2380
01:24:11,189 --> 01:24:08,320
metaphysics

2381
01:24:11,990 --> 01:24:11,199
what have you um it's often always

2382
01:24:14,149 --> 01:24:12,000
mirrored

2383
01:24:16,149 --> 01:24:14,159
what we could be what we want to be next

2384
01:24:19,189 --> 01:24:16,159
where our technology is going

2385
01:24:21,350 --> 01:24:19,199
being displayed in these trans-medium

2386
01:24:22,950 --> 01:24:21,360
craft as it were like i remember

2387
01:24:24,629 --> 01:24:22,960
commander fravor saying

2388
01:24:26,629 --> 01:24:24,639
i don't know what it was but i sure as

2389
01:24:27,350 --> 01:24:26,639
hell want to fly it and i think that's

2390
01:24:29,590 --> 01:24:27,360
such

2391
01:24:30,709 --> 01:24:29,600
a good point we see these things and

2392
01:24:33,030 --> 01:24:30,719
we're like wow

2393
01:24:34,550 --> 01:24:33,040
that could be us someday and hopefully

2394
01:24:37,189 --> 01:24:34,560
it will so

2395
01:24:38,950 --> 01:24:37,199
yeah i don't know i've always maintained

2396
01:24:39,590 --> 01:24:38,960
that if if it's not our technology it

2397
01:24:42,709 --> 01:24:39,600
needs to be

2398
01:24:45,590 --> 01:24:42,719
because it really opens up a whole new

2399
01:24:47,350 --> 01:24:45,600
area for us of clean energy and modes of

2400
01:24:50,149 --> 01:24:47,360
transportation

2401
01:24:51,110 --> 01:24:50,159
you know and so again if it's if it's

2402
01:24:54,149 --> 01:24:51,120
not ours

2403
01:24:55,750 --> 01:24:54,159
why is it not you know why are we

2404
01:24:57,270 --> 01:24:55,760
trying to figure out what this is so

2405
01:24:59,750 --> 01:24:57,280
that we can then

2406
01:25:01,910 --> 01:24:59,760
says they're not trying i mean you gotta

2407
01:25:04,070 --> 01:25:01,920
remember i mean that's

2408
01:25:05,750 --> 01:25:04,080
i mean we're all military guys dude i

2409
01:25:08,950 --> 01:25:05,760
mean when it comes down to it

2410
01:25:10,629 --> 01:25:08,960
if you see something you you

2411
01:25:12,390 --> 01:25:10,639
they're they're if they know that it

2412
01:25:13,430 --> 01:25:12,400
exists they are trying to make it you

2413
01:25:15,270 --> 01:25:13,440
can guarantee that

2414
01:25:16,790 --> 01:25:15,280
i mean it's just it just they have

2415
01:25:19,750 --> 01:25:16,800
people that are

2416
01:25:20,950 --> 01:25:19,760
so ridiculously smart and i mean i've

2417
01:25:23,669 --> 01:25:20,960
i've read reports

2418
01:25:25,030 --> 01:25:23,679
and and accounts of like scientists that

2419
01:25:27,030 --> 01:25:25,040
literally like

2420
01:25:29,350 --> 01:25:27,040
worked until they were burnt out

2421
01:25:31,270 --> 01:25:29,360
mentally so badly that

2422
01:25:32,709 --> 01:25:31,280
they were basically just a shell of a

2423
01:25:34,390 --> 01:25:32,719
person and

2424
01:25:36,149 --> 01:25:34,400
the only reason even story that got out

2425
01:25:39,270 --> 01:25:36,159
is because they just barely have

2426
01:25:41,430 --> 01:25:39,280
consciousness enough left to uh you know

2427
01:25:42,390 --> 01:25:41,440
talk about it after they were done but

2428
01:25:44,149 --> 01:25:42,400
then

2429
01:25:46,149 --> 01:25:44,159
you know i always say point to the

2430
01:25:48,390 --> 01:25:46,159
discredited genius and uh that's

2431
01:25:51,270 --> 01:25:48,400
probably the guy to talk to

2432
01:25:52,629 --> 01:25:51,280
yeah um all right guys let's let's move

2433
01:25:55,350 --> 01:25:52,639
to these listener

2434
01:25:56,470 --> 01:25:55,360
questions um i'll fire through as brief

2435
01:25:59,590 --> 01:25:56,480
or as detailed

2436
01:26:00,310 --> 01:25:59,600
as you'd like um i've got my first one

2437
01:26:02,950 --> 01:26:00,320
here for

2438
01:26:03,430 --> 01:26:02,960
jason um we talked a little bit about

2439
01:26:09,430 --> 01:26:03,440
this

2440
01:26:10,310 --> 01:26:09,440
that you um you have seen and tim wants

2441
01:26:13,830 --> 01:26:10,320
to know

2442
01:26:17,270 --> 01:26:13,840
uh can you tell us anything about

2443
01:26:19,189 --> 01:26:17,280
what is in that unedited version and um

2444
01:26:20,550 --> 01:26:19,199
do you think we'll ever see more of the

2445
01:26:22,790 --> 01:26:20,560
tic tac video

2446
01:26:23,750 --> 01:26:22,800
well the the unedited version is just it

2447
01:26:30,470 --> 01:26:23,760
there's a lot of

2448
01:26:31,830 --> 01:26:30,480
but then there are uh there there are

2449
01:26:34,310 --> 01:26:31,840
images from where this thing

2450
01:26:35,990 --> 01:26:34,320
it it's like it it created a mind of its

2451
01:26:38,310 --> 01:26:36,000
own like it wanted to go from point a to

2452
01:26:39,590 --> 01:26:38,320
point b at one certain speed and it it

2453
01:26:42,790 --> 01:26:39,600
just went there

2454
01:26:45,189 --> 01:26:42,800
um there are certain areas i'm sorry

2455
01:26:46,470 --> 01:26:45,199
there are certain areas within the video

2456
01:26:49,189 --> 01:26:46,480
where you can see

2457
01:26:50,390 --> 01:26:49,199
the um he's at a distance from this

2458
01:26:52,310 --> 01:26:50,400
thing um

2459
01:26:53,669 --> 01:26:52,320
i don't know how far it was i'd have to

2460
01:26:54,870 --> 01:26:53,679
go back and read

2461
01:26:56,950 --> 01:26:54,880
where he had said that he was at a

2462
01:26:59,110 --> 01:26:56,960
certain distance um but

2463
01:27:01,189 --> 01:26:59,120
just trying to keep up and maneuver with

2464
01:27:02,390 --> 01:27:01,199
this thing he was not able to keep up

2465
01:27:05,750 --> 01:27:02,400
with it so

2466
01:27:08,950 --> 01:27:05,760
there's a lot of um

2467
01:27:11,189 --> 01:27:08,960
out maneuvering of our own uh technology

2468
01:27:12,070 --> 01:27:11,199
which i you know i don't want to get too

2469
01:27:14,950 --> 01:27:12,080
deep into because

2470
01:27:16,229 --> 01:27:14,960
for me i you know i i would be speaking

2471
01:27:19,270 --> 01:27:16,239
outside of

2472
01:27:22,629 --> 01:27:19,280
our capabilities um my knowledge

2473
01:27:25,830 --> 01:27:22,639
of our capabilities so but to see it on

2474
01:27:29,189 --> 01:27:25,840
the actual video itself um

2475
01:27:32,310 --> 01:27:29,199
this thing would just outmaneuver

2476
01:27:34,950 --> 01:27:32,320
our jets you know in an instant so

2477
01:27:36,629 --> 01:27:34,960
yeah that i don't think we'll ever get

2478
01:27:39,669 --> 01:27:36,639
the full unedited version

2479
01:27:41,990 --> 01:27:39,679
that but what it does is it it allows

2480
01:27:44,070 --> 01:27:42,000
you to see the the tic tac a lot clearer

2481
01:27:46,149 --> 01:27:44,080
um than what what you see in the the

2482
01:27:47,910 --> 01:27:46,159
current video that we have um

2483
01:27:49,669 --> 01:27:47,920
and you do see some appendages sticking

2484
01:27:51,350 --> 01:27:49,679
out the bottom of it uh commander favor

2485
01:27:53,590 --> 01:27:51,360
had mentioned that they look like a like

2486
01:27:55,430 --> 01:27:53,600
a hockey stick or an l shape

2487
01:27:57,189 --> 01:27:55,440
in the video that i saw you could not

2488
01:27:58,550 --> 01:27:57,199
actually see the actual l shape you can

2489
01:27:59,030 --> 01:27:58,560
just see the appendages sticking out

2490
01:28:00,950 --> 01:27:59,040
which is

2491
01:28:02,709 --> 01:28:00,960
going to be typical of you know when

2492
01:28:03,750 --> 01:28:02,719
you're in a distance that far you're not

2493
01:28:06,229 --> 01:28:03,760
going to be able to see

2494
01:28:07,430 --> 01:28:06,239
a lot of detail on these things but the

2495
01:28:10,629 --> 01:28:07,440
one thing that you don't see

2496
01:28:11,030 --> 01:28:10,639
you don't see um propulsion you don't

2497
01:28:14,470 --> 01:28:11,040
see

2498
01:28:17,510 --> 01:28:14,480
any means of like wings or

2499
01:28:18,229 --> 01:28:17,520
windows or doors or anything on this

2500
01:28:21,270 --> 01:28:18,239
thing

2501
01:28:23,270 --> 01:28:21,280
um so you know

2502
01:28:24,550 --> 01:28:23,280
would it revolutionize you know the way

2503
01:28:28,310 --> 01:28:24,560
that we think about this

2504
01:28:29,430 --> 01:28:28,320
probably not because you know

2505
01:28:31,590 --> 01:28:29,440
people are people are going to be

2506
01:28:32,790 --> 01:28:31,600
naysayers no matter what what you find

2507
01:28:35,750 --> 01:28:32,800
no matter what you see

2508
01:28:36,390 --> 01:28:35,760
um you know there are going to be people

2509
01:28:39,270 --> 01:28:36,400
out there who

2510
01:28:40,070 --> 01:28:39,280
say well it could be a seagull you know

2511
01:28:42,550 --> 01:28:40,080
can you

2512
01:28:43,910 --> 01:28:42,560
throw it off you know but at the end of

2513
01:28:46,070 --> 01:28:43,920
the day

2514
01:28:47,590 --> 01:28:46,080
i had nothing to gain from it and if

2515
01:28:48,229 --> 01:28:47,600
this whole story would have just never

2516
01:28:50,070 --> 01:28:48,239
happened

2517
01:28:51,270 --> 01:28:50,080
i'd still be the same person i am today

2518
01:28:54,470 --> 01:28:51,280
because of it

2519
01:28:56,629 --> 01:28:54,480
you know so i think for me

2520
01:28:59,750 --> 01:28:56,639
i want to know what it was i was looking

2521
01:29:01,110 --> 01:28:59,760
at on that video just as much as you do

2522
01:29:02,709 --> 01:29:01,120
yeah the only other thing that i can

2523
01:29:03,750 --> 01:29:02,719
really add about the video that he

2524
01:29:05,830 --> 01:29:03,760
didn't already cover

2525
01:29:07,270 --> 01:29:05,840
is the fact that at certain points you

2526
01:29:10,149 --> 01:29:07,280
can actually you can see

2527
01:29:10,790 --> 01:29:10,159
the different profiles of it right so

2528
01:29:13,110 --> 01:29:10,800
really

2529
01:29:14,470 --> 01:29:13,120
you guys it almost it looks like it

2530
01:29:15,830 --> 01:29:14,480
changes shape but really what you're

2531
01:29:16,550 --> 01:29:15,840
doing is you're seeing it either at

2532
01:29:19,830 --> 01:29:16,560
length

2533
01:29:21,350 --> 01:29:19,840
or at the width of it so

2534
01:29:24,870 --> 01:29:21,360
you're you know it's just either a

2535
01:29:26,550 --> 01:29:24,880
circle or a weird oblong shape

2536
01:29:27,910 --> 01:29:26,560
and then you know and then there's a lot

2537
01:29:30,070 --> 01:29:27,920
of uh

2538
01:29:31,270 --> 01:29:30,080
reacquiring of it as it disappears from

2539
01:29:33,750 --> 01:29:31,280
this from you know going

2540
01:29:35,910 --> 01:29:33,760
to boom and then reacquire you know and

2541
01:29:36,629 --> 01:29:35,920
then gone and then reacquire but i mean

2542
01:29:38,470 --> 01:29:36,639
it's like

2543
01:29:40,390 --> 01:29:38,480
the meat and potatoes really are what

2544
01:29:42,870 --> 01:29:40,400
everybody saw

2545
01:29:43,910 --> 01:29:42,880
and uh you know and the most specific

2546
01:29:45,910 --> 01:29:43,920
things is just

2547
01:29:47,430 --> 01:29:45,920
knowing you know its heat signatures and

2548
01:29:49,030 --> 01:29:47,440
things like that those are the most

2549
01:29:50,950 --> 01:29:49,040
important things on that video because i

2550
01:29:53,430 --> 01:29:50,960
mean it doesn't really show its

2551
01:29:55,590 --> 01:29:53,440
true capabilities for speed or agility

2552
01:29:57,669 --> 01:29:55,600
or anything like that it just

2553
01:29:58,950 --> 01:29:57,679
shows an impossible thing happening i

2554
01:30:01,830 --> 01:29:58,960
mean

2555
01:30:02,470 --> 01:30:01,840
i know that's not good enough but hey

2556
01:30:04,149 --> 01:30:02,480
well

2557
01:30:05,910 --> 01:30:04,159
that's fair enough gary because i think

2558
01:30:07,830 --> 01:30:05,920
a lot of people

2559
01:30:10,229 --> 01:30:07,840
don't pay attention to those numbers

2560
01:30:12,070 --> 01:30:10,239
they're seeing on the videos like

2561
01:30:13,910 --> 01:30:12,080
those are very telling and they they

2562
01:30:16,310 --> 01:30:13,920
could actually say more than what

2563
01:30:17,669 --> 01:30:16,320
the actual object is doing in kind of

2564
01:30:19,830 --> 01:30:17,679
the 2d

2565
01:30:21,189 --> 01:30:19,840
version that we're looking at there so i

2566
01:30:22,629 --> 01:30:21,199
think that's good

2567
01:30:23,750 --> 01:30:22,639
you've got to think about the altitude

2568
01:30:25,110 --> 01:30:23,760
of which they were flying they were at

2569
01:30:26,790 --> 01:30:25,120
20 000 feet

2570
01:30:28,629 --> 01:30:26,800
you know yeah so once you get up higher

2571
01:30:30,950 --> 01:30:28,639
your your

2572
01:30:31,750 --> 01:30:30,960
the density and the speeds of what you

2573
01:30:34,950 --> 01:30:31,760
have to maintain

2574
01:30:35,750 --> 01:30:34,960
to to you know to be able to to stay

2575
01:30:37,910 --> 01:30:35,760
aloft

2576
01:30:39,430 --> 01:30:37,920
are going to change the higher you get

2577
01:30:41,910 --> 01:30:39,440
and we've got these things up at

2578
01:30:42,470 --> 01:30:41,920
80 000 feet right gary something like

2579
01:30:44,149 --> 01:30:42,480
that yeah

2580
01:30:45,750 --> 01:30:44,159
i think that the highest that was

2581
01:30:46,470 --> 01:30:45,760
tracked was like 80 something thousand

2582
01:30:49,030 --> 01:30:46,480
feet

2583
01:30:49,830 --> 01:30:49,040
yeah and i mean at 100 and something

2584
01:30:51,910 --> 01:30:49,840
knots

2585
01:30:53,510 --> 01:30:51,920
you're that's that's almost impossible

2586
01:30:56,629 --> 01:30:53,520
unless you're a weather balloon

2587
01:31:00,480 --> 01:30:56,639
um and lord here we go i'm going to

2588
01:31:00,490 --> 01:31:11,669
[Music]

2589
01:31:14,790 --> 01:31:13,270
and the fact that it doesn't make any

2590
01:31:18,870 --> 01:31:14,800
sound it doesn't make

2591
01:31:21,270 --> 01:31:18,880
a sonic boom how is this happening

2592
01:31:23,430 --> 01:31:21,280
you know and and where's the sound to

2593
01:31:24,790 --> 01:31:23,440
our video

2594
01:31:26,629 --> 01:31:24,800
where's the where's the rest of the gun

2595
01:31:28,390 --> 01:31:26,639
cameras i mean every single one of those

2596
01:31:29,830 --> 01:31:28,400
planes had a gun camera

2597
01:31:31,270 --> 01:31:29,840
and i mean you can't tell me all of them

2598
01:31:31,830 --> 01:31:31,280
had it off when they were going up

2599
01:31:34,470 --> 01:31:31,840
against an

2600
01:31:36,790 --> 01:31:34,480
unknown object i mean that's i mean i

2601
01:31:37,750 --> 01:31:36,800
mean if i'm a pilot i'm a pretty smart

2602
01:31:39,430 --> 01:31:37,760
guy

2603
01:31:43,350 --> 01:31:39,440
to begin with and i'm going to be like

2604
01:31:45,430 --> 01:31:43,360
oh crap let me flip that on

2605
01:31:46,550 --> 01:31:45,440
that's a good point yeah you know that's

2606
01:31:48,070 --> 01:31:46,560
like asking a uh

2607
01:31:49,830 --> 01:31:48,080
civilian why did you have your cell

2608
01:31:51,830 --> 01:31:49,840
phone out when you saw that yeah

2609
01:31:53,669 --> 01:31:51,840
yeah right right or somewhere i was

2610
01:31:54,629 --> 01:31:53,679
going to make a joke but i don't know

2611
01:31:57,350 --> 01:31:54,639
what you dare

2612
01:31:58,709 --> 01:31:57,360
you you've had it enough i know um well

2613
01:31:59,189 --> 01:31:58,719
kind of piggybacking off of that

2614
01:32:03,030 --> 01:31:59,199
question

2615
01:32:06,229 --> 01:32:03,040
matthew um in the gimbal video

2616
01:32:07,990 --> 01:32:06,239
uh tim asks we you can hear

2617
01:32:09,830 --> 01:32:08,000
and you know like we said there was no

2618
01:32:10,709 --> 01:32:09,840
audio for the tic tac but gimbal we're

2619
01:32:14,229 --> 01:32:10,719
hearing

2620
01:32:16,229 --> 01:32:14,239
what these guys are seeing in real time

2621
01:32:17,510 --> 01:32:16,239
you know the and the thing that always

2622
01:32:20,470 --> 01:32:17,520
astounds me is that

2623
01:32:21,110 --> 01:32:20,480
it's rotating i just can't get over that

2624
01:32:23,270 --> 01:32:21,120
um

2625
01:32:25,430 --> 01:32:23,280
again just the idea that these things

2626
01:32:27,590 --> 01:32:25,440
seemingly with no propulsion or

2627
01:32:28,790 --> 01:32:27,600
rotating mid-flight edge i i don't get

2628
01:32:31,990 --> 01:32:28,800
it i don't get it but

2629
01:32:34,629 --> 01:32:32,000
um in the audio you can hear

2630
01:32:37,110 --> 01:32:34,639
uh there's a whole fleet of these things

2631
01:32:38,709 --> 01:32:37,120
and you know even elizondo has admitted

2632
01:32:41,030 --> 01:32:38,719
recently that right off

2633
01:32:42,870 --> 01:32:41,040
screen there was a fleet of ufos that

2634
01:32:45,510 --> 01:32:42,880
were coming towards the gimbal craft so

2635
01:32:46,629 --> 01:32:45,520
um yeah is this something you can

2636
01:32:49,189 --> 01:32:46,639
confirm

2637
01:32:50,870 --> 01:32:49,199
or deny with what you saw or what the

2638
01:32:51,669 --> 01:32:50,880
people around you who showed you the

2639
01:32:54,870 --> 01:32:51,679
video saw

2640
01:32:57,430 --> 01:32:54,880
um yeah yeah anything to add with that

2641
01:32:58,629 --> 01:32:57,440
um yeah i mean there were there was more

2642
01:33:01,750 --> 01:32:58,639
than one

2643
01:33:02,550 --> 01:33:01,760
i mean i mean uh there were there were

2644
01:33:06,310 --> 01:33:02,560
several

2645
01:33:08,390 --> 01:33:06,320
and you know a lot of

2646
01:33:10,470 --> 01:33:08,400
people aren't talking about this it has

2647
01:33:13,590 --> 01:33:10,480
been said a few times but this was

2648
01:33:15,510 --> 01:33:13,600
uh this was not just one incident

2649
01:33:18,070 --> 01:33:15,520
um on the theodore roosevelt so this

2650
01:33:21,270 --> 01:33:18,080
this went on for four days

2651
01:33:25,350 --> 01:33:21,280
uh and and they came back every night

2652
01:33:28,790 --> 01:33:25,360
for four days uh so

2653
01:33:31,350 --> 01:33:28,800
you know i mean i i

2654
01:33:32,070 --> 01:33:31,360
i can confirm yes there there was more

2655
01:33:37,350 --> 01:33:32,080
than one

2656
01:33:40,629 --> 01:33:37,360
i mean there were there were several um

2657
01:33:40,950 --> 01:33:40,639
yeah that's it yeah that's fair enough

2658
01:33:44,390 --> 01:33:40,960
man

2659
01:33:44,870 --> 01:33:44,400
um well okay let's talk about this for a

2660
01:33:47,910 --> 01:33:44,880
moment

2661
01:33:50,310 --> 01:33:47,920
um the skeptics

2662
01:33:51,830 --> 01:33:50,320
we've hinted we've we've tiptoed around

2663
01:33:53,510 --> 01:33:51,840
his name but he's all over the

2664
01:33:56,470 --> 01:33:53,520
mainstream news right now

2665
01:33:58,310 --> 01:33:56,480
uh mick west and um you know he is

2666
01:33:59,189 --> 01:33:58,320
trying like hell to debunk all the

2667
01:34:01,350 --> 01:33:59,199
videos

2668
01:34:02,629 --> 01:34:01,360
that you guys uh were seemingly a part

2669
01:34:04,870 --> 01:34:02,639
of with these events

2670
01:34:05,669 --> 01:34:04,880
and has come up frankly with some very

2671
01:34:08,470 --> 01:34:05,679
ridiculous

2672
01:34:09,110 --> 01:34:08,480
explanations and for some reason he does

2673
01:34:12,870 --> 01:34:09,120
not

2674
01:34:15,270 --> 01:34:12,880
trust the um the testimony that

2675
01:34:17,669 --> 01:34:15,280
a lot of military observers have brought

2676
01:34:20,709 --> 01:34:17,679
forward you guys don't matter to him

2677
01:34:22,390 --> 01:34:20,719
in the grand scheme of things uh when

2678
01:34:24,310 --> 01:34:22,400
i think you know without witness

2679
01:34:24,870 --> 01:34:24,320
testimony we wouldn't have be having

2680
01:34:27,750 --> 01:34:24,880
this

2681
01:34:28,470 --> 01:34:27,760
discussion right now so uh what do you

2682
01:34:32,550 --> 01:34:28,480
got yeah

2683
01:34:36,149 --> 01:34:32,560
gary please well with mick west uh don't

2684
01:34:38,229 --> 01:34:36,159
he's he's smarter than he's letting on

2685
01:34:39,830 --> 01:34:38,239
i have a feeling i you know it's like

2686
01:34:41,590 --> 01:34:39,840
when i did my interview with him you

2687
01:34:43,590 --> 01:34:41,600
know i agreed to an interview with him

2688
01:34:44,870 --> 01:34:43,600
and i did an interview with him and

2689
01:34:46,870 --> 01:34:44,880
you know honestly i felt like he was

2690
01:34:49,189 --> 01:34:46,880
coming he came away with it uh

2691
01:34:51,189 --> 01:34:49,199
you know not being able to prove

2692
01:34:54,470 --> 01:34:51,199
anything one way or the other

2693
01:34:55,590 --> 01:34:54,480
it which is the best you can hope for

2694
01:34:58,070 --> 01:34:55,600
with mick west

2695
01:34:59,990 --> 01:34:58,080
um and i try i try i try to be very

2696
01:35:02,950 --> 01:35:00,000
courteous to the gentleman because he's

2697
01:35:04,470 --> 01:35:02,960
he is smarter than you think um i have a

2698
01:35:06,629 --> 01:35:04,480
feeling he kind of throws these wild

2699
01:35:08,950 --> 01:35:06,639
theories out to frustrate people

2700
01:35:11,270 --> 01:35:08,960
you know because like he is a very

2701
01:35:12,950 --> 01:35:11,280
detailed orientated person

2702
01:35:14,629 --> 01:35:12,960
and he is a lot more intelligent than

2703
01:35:15,830 --> 01:35:14,639
you think he is and i have a feeling

2704
01:35:17,270 --> 01:35:15,840
he's waiting for you to give him the

2705
01:35:19,830 --> 01:35:17,280
real numbers

2706
01:35:20,550 --> 01:35:19,840
so that he he can crunch them so he can

2707
01:35:23,270 --> 01:35:20,560
figure out

2708
01:35:24,149 --> 01:35:23,280
you know and i think he does that that

2709
01:35:26,070 --> 01:35:24,159
kind of

2710
01:35:28,229 --> 01:35:26,080
well here's a ridiculous story prove me

2711
01:35:28,870 --> 01:35:28,239
wrong you know and then okay well i'll

2712
01:35:32,550 --> 01:35:28,880
tell you that

2713
01:35:35,189 --> 01:35:32,560
you know it can it has a resolution

2714
01:35:36,950 --> 01:35:35,199
it can go it can see this far and i know

2715
01:35:37,669 --> 01:35:36,960
for a fact that it could because of this

2716
01:35:39,189 --> 01:35:37,679
this and this

2717
01:35:41,830 --> 01:35:39,199
and then you just develop classified

2718
01:35:44,950 --> 01:35:41,840
information and he gets his

2719
01:35:46,310 --> 01:35:44,960
you know there we go i i think the guy's

2720
01:35:47,030 --> 01:35:46,320
a lot smarter than people give him

2721
01:35:49,350 --> 01:35:47,040
credit for

2722
01:35:50,550 --> 01:35:49,360
i really enjoyed my interview with him

2723
01:35:52,310 --> 01:35:50,560
and uh

2724
01:35:54,149 --> 01:35:52,320
i'll give i'll bust his chops for that

2725
01:35:54,550 --> 01:35:54,159
seagull [\h__\h] for the rest of his

2726
01:35:56,709 --> 01:35:54,560
life

2727
01:35:59,270 --> 01:35:56,719
but i'm going to give the man i'm going

2728
01:36:01,109 --> 01:35:59,280
to give the man a little bit of uh

2729
01:36:02,709 --> 01:36:01,119
a little bit of solstice with me at

2730
01:36:04,229 --> 01:36:02,719
least with my answer with him if he's

2731
01:36:05,510 --> 01:36:04,239
got a question i'll be able to

2732
01:36:07,430 --> 01:36:05,520
i'll answer it to the best of my

2733
01:36:08,950 --> 01:36:07,440
abilities any day of the week until he

2734
01:36:12,790 --> 01:36:08,960
starts going into the endless

2735
01:36:15,350 --> 01:36:12,800
loop yeah offering the uh

2736
01:36:15,990 --> 01:36:15,360
yeah the peace offering from gary i love

2737
01:36:18,229 --> 01:36:16,000
it my man

2738
01:36:19,350 --> 01:36:18,239
and i agree with you yeah i think um

2739
01:36:22,310 --> 01:36:19,360
he's just waiting

2740
01:36:23,430 --> 01:36:22,320
and he's got a he's got a grand plan um

2741
01:36:25,990 --> 01:36:23,440
we'll see what happens

2742
01:36:27,910 --> 01:36:26,000
uh well let's talk about that in general

2743
01:36:30,310 --> 01:36:27,920
skeptics now you have someone like

2744
01:36:31,030 --> 01:36:30,320
neil degrasse tyson recently commenting

2745
01:36:33,030 --> 01:36:31,040
on

2746
01:36:34,310 --> 01:36:33,040
these videos and everything that's

2747
01:36:37,510 --> 01:36:34,320
coming forward

2748
01:36:40,709 --> 01:36:37,520
and look these guys don't even know the

2749
01:36:41,669 --> 01:36:40,719
year that your event happened they don't

2750
01:36:44,229 --> 01:36:41,679
know how many

2751
01:36:46,550 --> 01:36:44,239
people witness this they don't know the

2752
01:36:48,229 --> 01:36:46,560
altitude that the craft went up then

2753
01:36:50,390 --> 01:36:48,239
down to the surface of the ocean

2754
01:36:51,590 --> 01:36:50,400
then to the cat point they don't know

2755
01:36:52,870 --> 01:36:51,600
any of this stuff

2756
01:36:54,790 --> 01:36:52,880
they come up with these blanket

2757
01:36:56,390 --> 01:36:54,800
explanations for something that they

2758
01:36:58,629 --> 01:36:56,400
haven't even looked into

2759
01:37:00,070 --> 01:36:58,639
that's my diatribe on a lot of what the

2760
01:37:02,870 --> 01:37:00,080
debunkers do

2761
01:37:04,870 --> 01:37:02,880
but i think skeptics are very important

2762
01:37:05,510 --> 01:37:04,880
and i'd like to get your guys opinion on

2763
01:37:07,590 --> 01:37:05,520
that

2764
01:37:09,350 --> 01:37:07,600
what role do the skeptics play in all

2765
01:37:09,830 --> 01:37:09,360
this and what would you like to tell

2766
01:37:12,629 --> 01:37:09,840
them

2767
01:37:13,270 --> 01:37:12,639
um jason let's start with you i think i

2768
01:37:16,149 --> 01:37:13,280
think with

2769
01:37:17,510 --> 01:37:16,159
you know people the skeptics is you know

2770
01:37:20,550 --> 01:37:17,520
if you expect

2771
01:37:21,910 --> 01:37:20,560
us to to hear what you've got to say and

2772
01:37:22,550 --> 01:37:21,920
respect what you've got to say you've

2773
01:37:26,550 --> 01:37:22,560
got to

2774
01:37:30,149 --> 01:37:26,560
understand that

2775
01:37:32,629 --> 01:37:30,159
um just because maybe sometimes your

2776
01:37:34,790 --> 01:37:32,639
your thoughts don't line up to to the

2777
01:37:36,790 --> 01:37:34,800
reality of what we experience

2778
01:37:38,790 --> 01:37:36,800
uh doesn't necessarily mean that you get

2779
01:37:40,149 --> 01:37:38,800
to you know write somebody off or

2780
01:37:42,229 --> 01:37:40,159
say well i couldn't have done this

2781
01:37:44,470 --> 01:37:42,239
because you know xyz

2782
01:37:45,350 --> 01:37:44,480
um but i do think again with the

2783
01:37:48,870 --> 01:37:45,360
observables

2784
01:37:52,709 --> 01:37:48,880
having skeptics there they do play

2785
01:37:54,950 --> 01:37:52,719
an important role in this whole process

2786
01:37:57,109 --> 01:37:54,960
because you know now they're asking the

2787
01:37:57,669 --> 01:37:57,119
questions that we're not looking into if

2788
01:37:59,189 --> 01:37:57,679
we're looking

2789
01:38:00,950 --> 01:37:59,199
directly to find evidence they're

2790
01:38:02,470 --> 01:38:00,960
looking to find evidence that says well

2791
01:38:03,109 --> 01:38:02,480
this could be something else that you're

2792
01:38:05,350 --> 01:38:03,119
saying that

2793
01:38:07,109 --> 01:38:05,360
you know if you're saying this this i'm

2794
01:38:09,590 --> 01:38:07,119
going to show you that it could be this

2795
01:38:11,350 --> 01:38:09,600
so and you know i i like it that you

2796
01:38:14,550 --> 01:38:11,360
know sometimes they can get frustrating

2797
01:38:16,070 --> 01:38:14,560
because you know it kind of goes right

2798
01:38:18,470 --> 01:38:16,080
into the heart of the matter

2799
01:38:19,830 --> 01:38:18,480
of and and sometimes my pride can get in

2800
01:38:21,669 --> 01:38:19,840
the way and i'm like but then you know

2801
01:38:23,189 --> 01:38:21,679
you have to put it away put your pride

2802
01:38:24,709 --> 01:38:23,199
away you know and

2803
01:38:26,629 --> 01:38:24,719
sit down and just have a conversation

2804
01:38:27,830 --> 01:38:26,639
well you know you saw this thing moving

2805
01:38:29,510 --> 01:38:27,840
at this fast but

2806
01:38:31,270 --> 01:38:29,520
you know could it be this or could it be

2807
01:38:33,270 --> 01:38:31,280
that you know but then

2808
01:38:34,310 --> 01:38:33,280
you have to be willing to accept when

2809
01:38:36,310 --> 01:38:34,320
you're wrong

2810
01:38:38,149 --> 01:38:36,320
and i think that's something that we we

2811
01:38:39,189 --> 01:38:38,159
all tend to forget is that it's okay to

2812
01:38:42,070 --> 01:38:39,199
be wrong

2813
01:38:42,950 --> 01:38:42,080
um you know we've been wrong before and

2814
01:38:46,149 --> 01:38:42,960
publicly we

2815
01:38:48,149 --> 01:38:46,159
we will correct ourselves um just be

2816
01:38:50,550 --> 01:38:48,159
okay with being wrong

2817
01:38:52,629 --> 01:38:50,560
you know get used to it in the ufo field

2818
01:38:54,870 --> 01:38:52,639
for sure it is a constantly

2819
01:38:56,310 --> 01:38:54,880
evolving field of study and uh yeah if

2820
01:38:57,990 --> 01:38:56,320
you can admit you're wrong

2821
01:38:59,430 --> 01:38:58,000
this is not the field for you to be in

2822
01:39:01,350 --> 01:38:59,440
we don't need you we don't want you

2823
01:39:02,950 --> 01:39:01,360
so yeah for those who say they have all

2824
01:39:05,830 --> 01:39:02,960
the answers

2825
01:39:08,070 --> 01:39:05,840
run away as fast as you can um gary what

2826
01:39:11,109 --> 01:39:08,080
do you think man

2827
01:39:12,790 --> 01:39:11,119
skeptics besides well

2828
01:39:14,390 --> 01:39:12,800
neil degrasse tyson we'll we'll start

2829
01:39:17,189 --> 01:39:14,400
with him um

2830
01:39:18,310 --> 01:39:17,199
honestly he's one of my heroes i love

2831
01:39:20,149 --> 01:39:18,320
the guy yeah

2832
01:39:21,669 --> 01:39:20,159
i've always loved the guy he's but he's

2833
01:39:26,070 --> 01:39:21,679
a scientist

2834
01:39:27,750 --> 01:39:26,080
outside of his realm of knowledge

2835
01:39:29,590 --> 01:39:27,760
how do you how do you expect a scientist

2836
01:39:32,550 --> 01:39:29,600
not to use

2837
01:39:33,109 --> 01:39:32,560
regular science that we are currently

2838
01:39:36,470 --> 01:39:33,119
using

2839
01:39:38,629 --> 01:39:36,480
to explain what's going on

2840
01:39:40,070 --> 01:39:38,639
that's what he's trained to do that's

2841
01:39:41,510 --> 01:39:40,080
what he knows

2842
01:39:43,910 --> 01:39:41,520
you know he's not gonna he's not gonna

2843
01:39:45,910 --> 01:39:43,920
say you know oh yeah by the way you know

2844
01:39:48,149 --> 01:39:45,920
this one guy had a theory

2845
01:39:50,470 --> 01:39:48,159
you know and you know it's a you know

2846
01:39:52,310 --> 01:39:50,480
this only this one guy has this theory

2847
01:39:54,390 --> 01:39:52,320
and it could possibly be that

2848
01:39:56,390 --> 01:39:54,400
you know i don't expect him to use any

2849
01:39:58,310 --> 01:39:56,400
anything that that can't be

2850
01:39:59,590 --> 01:39:58,320
used in a linear thought pattern you

2851
01:40:01,430 --> 01:39:59,600
know i mean and

2852
01:40:03,510 --> 01:40:01,440
he he's even had interviews with himself

2853
01:40:05,910 --> 01:40:03,520
where you know he's like well yeah there

2854
01:40:07,910 --> 01:40:05,920
could be some things going on but

2855
01:40:09,030 --> 01:40:07,920
i don't have an explanation for him and

2856
01:40:11,430 --> 01:40:09,040
you know he's

2857
01:40:13,270 --> 01:40:11,440
he's gone on a record as basically just

2858
01:40:15,669 --> 01:40:13,280
not believing a lot of this stuff but

2859
01:40:17,030 --> 01:40:15,679
why would he what have we given him to

2860
01:40:19,030 --> 01:40:17,040
make him believe

2861
01:40:20,790 --> 01:40:19,040
i mean we only have empirical evidence

2862
01:40:22,470 --> 01:40:20,800
so if we only have empirical evidence

2863
01:40:23,030 --> 01:40:22,480
then a scientist is going to scoff at

2864
01:40:24,070 --> 01:40:23,040
you

2865
01:40:25,990 --> 01:40:24,080
i mean there's going to be scientists

2866
01:40:27,669 --> 01:40:26,000
that are interested in trying to find

2867
01:40:28,629 --> 01:40:27,679
the compelling data to make the rest of

2868
01:40:33,030 --> 01:40:28,639
the scientists

2869
01:40:34,629 --> 01:40:33,040
happy but with just empirical evidence

2870
01:40:36,070 --> 01:40:34,639
then there's not a scientist on this

2871
01:40:38,310 --> 01:40:36,080
planet that you can expect

2872
01:40:39,750 --> 01:40:38,320
not to just say okay well that's a cool

2873
01:40:42,629 --> 01:40:39,760
theory

2874
01:40:43,910 --> 01:40:42,639
but it doesn't explain what you saw you

2875
01:40:45,590 --> 01:40:43,920
know i mean if somebody came out

2876
01:40:48,629 --> 01:40:45,600
tomorrow and said

2877
01:40:49,350 --> 01:40:48,639
definitely 100 project bluebeam well

2878
01:40:51,590 --> 01:40:49,360
that's just

2879
01:40:53,270 --> 01:40:51,600
that's a that's a mythical thing you

2880
01:40:55,669 --> 01:40:53,280
know it's hard for me to even

2881
01:40:57,510 --> 01:40:55,679
respond to that because there's zero

2882
01:40:58,550 --> 01:40:57,520
proof that it exists

2883
01:41:00,070 --> 01:40:58,560
you know so i'm gonna be like neil

2884
01:41:02,070 --> 01:41:00,080
degrasse tyson when somebody comes at me

2885
01:41:03,910 --> 01:41:02,080
with bluebeam i'm like okay well

2886
01:41:05,189 --> 01:41:03,920
show me the company that's developing it

2887
01:41:06,709 --> 01:41:05,199
show me the the

2888
01:41:09,350 --> 01:41:06,719
show me the platform at which it's

2889
01:41:12,470 --> 01:41:09,360
working show me it's you know not just a

2890
01:41:13,910 --> 01:41:12,480
cgi generated [\h__\h] on youtube you

2891
01:41:17,430 --> 01:41:13,920
know

2892
01:41:20,149 --> 01:41:17,440
um when we could show them the proof

2893
01:41:21,030 --> 01:41:20,159
i'll be more critical of scientists but

2894
01:41:23,510 --> 01:41:21,040
until then

2895
01:41:24,229 --> 01:41:23,520
you know bring the skeptics on bring

2896
01:41:26,870 --> 01:41:24,239
them

2897
01:41:27,910 --> 01:41:26,880
come and come ask us questions come

2898
01:41:30,709 --> 01:41:27,920
study with us

2899
01:41:32,149 --> 01:41:30,719
come try to find the answers with us and

2900
01:41:33,910 --> 01:41:32,159
you know

2901
01:41:35,510 --> 01:41:33,920
leave the attitude at the door and i

2902
01:41:37,510 --> 01:41:35,520
just want to say i was uh

2903
01:41:38,950 --> 01:41:37,520
featured in a french magazine at one

2904
01:41:42,149 --> 01:41:38,960
point and

2905
01:41:43,990 --> 01:41:42,159
uh my three-page article was before his

2906
01:41:47,990 --> 01:41:44,000
two-page article that's neil degrasse

2907
01:41:52,550 --> 01:41:50,470
i love it i love that that's awesome man

2908
01:41:54,550 --> 01:41:52,560
and you bring up another good point like

2909
01:41:56,470 --> 01:41:54,560
for scientists they are all about data

2910
01:41:59,270 --> 01:41:56,480
and all about repeatability

2911
01:42:00,390 --> 01:41:59,280
which is the last thing we have in the

2912
01:42:02,470 --> 01:42:00,400
ufo world

2913
01:42:04,790 --> 01:42:02,480
usually these things zip in and out and

2914
01:42:05,910 --> 01:42:04,800
it's gone so like what is there left to

2915
01:42:07,669 --> 01:42:05,920
really study

2916
01:42:09,430 --> 01:42:07,679
so i completely understand that they're

2917
01:42:11,350 --> 01:42:09,440
working with very limited

2918
01:42:13,030 --> 01:42:11,360
evidence and data so of course they're

2919
01:42:15,270 --> 01:42:13,040
not going to fully be able to

2920
01:42:16,070 --> 01:42:15,280
explain something away or explain

2921
01:42:18,390 --> 01:42:16,080
something

2922
01:42:20,070 --> 01:42:18,400
um matthew what do you think man my big

2923
01:42:21,830 --> 01:42:20,080
problem with skeptics

2924
01:42:23,350 --> 01:42:21,840
uh and a lot of these people that call

2925
01:42:25,750 --> 01:42:23,360
themselves scientists

2926
01:42:28,709 --> 01:42:25,760
is that uh there are too many of them

2927
01:42:31,910 --> 01:42:28,719
that are practicing religion

2928
01:42:34,310 --> 01:42:31,920
they will look at this and they will say

2929
01:42:36,390 --> 01:42:34,320
that doesn't fit my world view i'm not

2930
01:42:38,950 --> 01:42:36,400
going to touch it

2931
01:42:40,870 --> 01:42:38,960
and that is more often than not that's

2932
01:42:42,629 --> 01:42:40,880
the case

2933
01:42:44,709 --> 01:42:42,639
because if you really look at all of the

2934
01:42:47,590 --> 01:42:44,719
evidence that's out there

2935
01:42:48,550 --> 01:42:47,600
um i mean we've convicted people of

2936
01:42:51,430 --> 01:42:48,560
murder

2937
01:42:52,470 --> 01:42:51,440
uh on less evidence than currently

2938
01:42:56,310 --> 01:42:52,480
exists today

2939
01:42:57,270 --> 01:42:56,320
so um i don't understand what science is

2940
01:42:59,590 --> 01:42:57,280
waiting for

2941
01:43:01,910 --> 01:42:59,600
and and for people that that think the

2942
01:43:05,910 --> 01:43:01,920
scientific community

2943
01:43:06,950 --> 01:43:05,920
once uh this you know report comes out

2944
01:43:08,950 --> 01:43:06,960
whatever it says

2945
01:43:10,229 --> 01:43:08,960
is gonna come along and say oh wow you

2946
01:43:13,350 --> 01:43:10,239
know we are

2947
01:43:14,470 --> 01:43:13,360
we are all in now i i think the people

2948
01:43:18,149 --> 01:43:14,480
that think that

2949
01:43:21,510 --> 01:43:18,159
are um somewhat delusional

2950
01:43:22,629 --> 01:43:21,520
um because because that is exactly what

2951
01:43:26,149 --> 01:43:22,639
science is

2952
01:43:29,430 --> 01:43:26,159
a worldview

2953
01:43:31,430 --> 01:43:29,440
um and and what they don't understand

2954
01:43:34,229 --> 01:43:31,440
is that you know they'll point to

2955
01:43:37,109 --> 01:43:34,239
somebody like galileo and say

2956
01:43:39,030 --> 01:43:37,119
oh you know he he was a real scientist

2957
01:43:41,109 --> 01:43:39,040
he was trying to get people on board he

2958
01:43:43,669 --> 01:43:41,119
invited these people to come and

2959
01:43:44,790 --> 01:43:43,679
take a look through his telescope and

2960
01:43:45,830 --> 01:43:44,800
and they said oh i don't want to have

2961
01:43:49,830 --> 01:43:45,840
anything to do with that

2962
01:43:52,149 --> 01:43:49,840
that that's that's witchcraft you know

2963
01:43:53,270 --> 01:43:52,159
and and that's that's what's happening

2964
01:43:56,790 --> 01:43:53,280
here today

2965
01:43:59,910 --> 01:43:56,800
right now um they are being invited to

2966
01:44:02,070 --> 01:43:59,920
take a look through galileo's telescope

2967
01:44:03,750 --> 01:44:02,080
and they don't want anything to do with

2968
01:44:06,149 --> 01:44:03,760
that witchcraft

2969
01:44:06,790 --> 01:44:06,159
um and and that's that's the reality of

2970
01:44:10,070 --> 01:44:06,800
what's

2971
01:44:13,430 --> 01:44:10,080
happening and it's very unfortunate

2972
01:44:15,189 --> 01:44:13,440
uh i i think even even if

2973
01:44:16,470 --> 01:44:15,199
you know the government comes out and

2974
01:44:19,669 --> 01:44:16,480
says you know

2975
01:44:21,750 --> 01:44:19,679
non-humans aliens whatever uh

2976
01:44:24,550 --> 01:44:21,760
the scientific community is going to lag

2977
01:44:26,390 --> 01:44:24,560
behind on that a good 30 or 40 years

2978
01:44:27,669 --> 01:44:26,400
uh and i think that that's what we

2979
01:44:29,830 --> 01:44:27,679
should expect

2980
01:44:31,590 --> 01:44:29,840
before we go i know you guys you know

2981
01:44:34,709 --> 01:44:31,600
this isn't just one event

2982
01:44:35,430 --> 01:44:34,719
and then game over like you've solved

2983
01:44:37,430 --> 01:44:35,440
everything

2984
01:44:39,109 --> 01:44:37,440
we're clearly not there yet who knows if

2985
01:44:41,830 --> 01:44:39,119
we will be but um

2986
01:44:43,510 --> 01:44:41,840
let's talk a little about the future um

2987
01:44:44,070 --> 01:44:43,520
matt tell us a little bit about your

2988
01:44:46,629 --> 01:44:44,080
book

2989
01:44:48,070 --> 01:44:46,639
and um where people can find it and if

2990
01:44:49,990 --> 01:44:48,080
they want to reach out to you would you

2991
01:44:53,109 --> 01:44:50,000
mind sharing that with us

2992
01:44:54,070 --> 01:44:53,119
um yeah so i've got my email posted on

2993
01:44:57,430 --> 01:44:54,080
facebook

2994
01:45:01,350 --> 01:44:57,440
um anybody can contact me uh and i

2995
01:45:04,470 --> 01:45:01,360
return all emails eventually um

2996
01:45:05,350 --> 01:45:04,480
so uh my book is just about what

2997
01:45:08,310 --> 01:45:05,360
happened to me

2998
01:45:09,430 --> 01:45:08,320
after i left uh the theodore roosevelt

2999
01:45:11,189 --> 01:45:09,440
and just after i

3000
01:45:13,109 --> 01:45:11,199
started working at the office of naval

3001
01:45:15,109 --> 01:45:13,119
intelligence um

3002
01:45:17,669 --> 01:45:15,119
and something that i will say about it

3003
01:45:19,350 --> 01:45:17,679
is that um

3004
01:45:21,990 --> 01:45:19,360
obviously you've heard me in this

3005
01:45:25,189 --> 01:45:22,000
conversation i'm not crazy

3006
01:45:28,709 --> 01:45:25,199
you know i'm not a lunatic uh

3007
01:45:32,229 --> 01:45:28,719
i'm i'm very level-headed

3008
01:45:35,430 --> 01:45:32,239
and throughout my experiences

3009
01:45:39,430 --> 01:45:35,440
uh i kept that same level-headedness

3010
01:45:41,910 --> 01:45:39,440
um i used my training as an analyst

3011
01:45:43,510 --> 01:45:41,920
um just like i talked about how with

3012
01:45:45,270 --> 01:45:43,520
skinwalker ranch

3013
01:45:48,709 --> 01:45:45,280
and and the hunt for the skinwalker and

3014
01:45:51,830 --> 01:45:48,719
colin kelleher i kind of drilled down

3015
01:45:54,070 --> 01:45:51,840
on what i knew you know and then

3016
01:45:55,910 --> 01:45:54,080
so but but within my experiences i kept

3017
01:45:58,950 --> 01:45:55,920
having these things that would happen

3018
01:45:59,430 --> 01:45:58,960
and i would drill down on those and and

3019
01:46:03,669 --> 01:45:59,440
it got

3020
01:46:09,109 --> 01:46:03,679
very very strange uh very strange

3021
01:46:11,510 --> 01:46:09,119
um and i i arrived at some kind of truth

3022
01:46:13,270 --> 01:46:11,520
uh as a result of my experiences and

3023
01:46:15,189 --> 01:46:13,280
that's what my book is about

3024
01:46:16,790 --> 01:46:15,199
it's available on amazon it's only

3025
01:46:17,910 --> 01:46:16,800
available on amazon because i had to

3026
01:46:20,390 --> 01:46:17,920
self-publish

3027
01:46:21,669 --> 01:46:20,400
because nobody knows or cares who i am

3028
01:46:24,390 --> 01:46:21,679
so

3029
01:46:26,390 --> 01:46:24,400
that was the only way i could do it yeah

3030
01:46:27,990 --> 01:46:26,400
that's not true brother and i will say

3031
01:46:30,709 --> 01:46:28,000
for an independently uh

3032
01:46:32,870 --> 01:46:30,719
published book it looks gorgeous and i

3033
01:46:34,790 --> 01:46:32,880
myself still have to read it so

3034
01:46:36,070 --> 01:46:34,800
i'm really looking forward to that man

3035
01:46:39,830 --> 01:46:36,080
but jason gary

3036
01:46:42,629 --> 01:46:39,840
tell us all about uap expedition

3037
01:46:43,430 --> 01:46:42,639
what you guys plan on doing and um yeah

3038
01:46:47,189 --> 01:46:43,440
what's the next

3039
01:46:50,149 --> 01:46:47,199
chapter in your search for the truth

3040
01:46:52,070 --> 01:46:50,159
all right um so we can't talk about

3041
01:46:56,470 --> 01:46:52,080
anything

3042
01:46:57,350 --> 01:46:56,480
no comments spoken like a true military

3043
01:46:59,990 --> 01:46:57,360
guy

3044
01:47:01,030 --> 01:47:00,000
uh so uh we decided to start a company

3045
01:47:03,510 --> 01:47:01,040
called uap

3046
01:47:05,030 --> 01:47:03,520
expeditions because we really wanted to

3047
01:47:08,629 --> 01:47:05,040
go back out

3048
01:47:10,390 --> 01:47:08,639
and uh try to replicate the data that we

3049
01:47:14,310 --> 01:47:10,400
lost to the government

3050
01:47:16,310 --> 01:47:14,320
and i say that exactly the way i mean it

3051
01:47:18,550 --> 01:47:16,320
the government has all of this metadata

3052
01:47:20,790 --> 01:47:18,560
even if they don't know what they are

3053
01:47:22,070 --> 01:47:20,800
they have videos they have thermal

3054
01:47:25,430 --> 01:47:22,080
videos they've got

3055
01:47:28,550 --> 01:47:25,440
radar data they've got um you know just

3056
01:47:30,709 --> 01:47:28,560
high resolution visual data and i mean

3057
01:47:32,310 --> 01:47:30,719
you can't tell me that all of these jets

3058
01:47:34,149 --> 01:47:32,320
that are incurring these things

3059
01:47:35,510 --> 01:47:34,159
aren't carrying cameras they're not

3060
01:47:37,270 --> 01:47:35,520
carrying information

3061
01:47:38,550 --> 01:47:37,280
they're not carrying sensors we don't we

3062
01:47:40,149 --> 01:47:38,560
don't have hot guys

3063
01:47:41,669 --> 01:47:40,159
picking this stuff up all the time and

3064
01:47:44,550 --> 01:47:41,679
getting em data

3065
01:47:46,390 --> 01:47:44,560
you know so we're taking it on ourselves

3066
01:47:48,950 --> 01:47:46,400
to go find that information out

3067
01:47:50,709 --> 01:47:48,960
ourselves the literally the only thing

3068
01:47:53,109 --> 01:47:50,719
we won't be able to catch ourselves

3069
01:47:54,229 --> 01:47:53,119
is you know we won't have a phaseraid

3070
01:47:57,750 --> 01:47:54,239
antenna

3071
01:48:02,310 --> 01:47:57,760
or a phaseraid radar to actually use

3072
01:48:04,870 --> 01:48:02,320
but i'm even working on that so

3073
01:48:06,629 --> 01:48:04,880
someday we will have even a phaser rate

3074
01:48:09,189 --> 01:48:06,639
antenna to

3075
01:48:10,149 --> 01:48:09,199
check out radar returns with because

3076
01:48:13,669 --> 01:48:10,159
luckily for us

3077
01:48:16,310 --> 01:48:13,679
the technology actually is aging so

3078
01:48:17,189 --> 01:48:16,320
um and if you go to uh the uh the

3079
01:48:20,149 --> 01:48:17,199
raytheon

3080
01:48:21,109 --> 01:48:20,159
site uh they actually talk about our

3081
01:48:23,990 --> 01:48:21,119
encounter and how

3082
01:48:25,030 --> 01:48:24,000
they tracked ufos so you know they're

3083
01:48:26,629 --> 01:48:25,040
they're they're pretty

3084
01:48:28,229 --> 01:48:26,639
you know they're pretty psyched about

3085
01:48:32,470 --> 01:48:28,239
you know using that as promotion

3086
01:48:35,430 --> 01:48:32,480
so um we've got a great team of

3087
01:48:38,830 --> 01:48:35,440
scientists and expats uh we've got uh

3088
01:48:42,790 --> 01:48:38,840
uh if you go to our website uh uap

3089
01:48:45,430 --> 01:48:42,800
expeditions.org um i'm sure ryan will be

3090
01:48:45,990 --> 01:48:45,440
a sweetheart and link that when in the

3091
01:48:50,790 --> 01:48:46,000
description

3092
01:48:54,550 --> 01:48:53,830
but we we have a lot of things going on

3093
01:48:57,030 --> 01:48:54,560
that we can

3094
01:48:57,590 --> 01:48:57,040
we can't discuss yet um like with all

3095
01:49:01,030 --> 01:48:57,600
plans

3096
01:49:02,470 --> 01:49:01,040
you can't really you know give anybody

3097
01:49:03,910 --> 01:49:02,480
the meat and potatoes until you

3098
01:49:05,510 --> 01:49:03,920
actually have meat and potatoes to give

3099
01:49:07,669 --> 01:49:05,520
them um

3100
01:49:09,350 --> 01:49:07,679
so we can't feed you yet but we're

3101
01:49:11,990 --> 01:49:09,360
preparing the meal

3102
01:49:12,629 --> 01:49:12,000
so stand by to stand by as we say in the

3103
01:49:16,470 --> 01:49:12,639
service

3104
01:49:18,790 --> 01:49:16,480
and uh yep yeah

3105
01:49:20,550 --> 01:49:18,800
and i hope that uh i hope everybody is

3106
01:49:22,470 --> 01:49:20,560
eventually happy with the company

3107
01:49:24,709 --> 01:49:22,480
that we are developing because

3108
01:49:25,030 --> 01:49:24,719
eventually i want to have a company that

3109
01:49:28,709 --> 01:49:25,040
is

3110
01:49:30,950 --> 01:49:28,719
basically

3111
01:49:32,790 --> 01:49:30,960
other people you know say well well what

3112
01:49:34,790 --> 01:49:32,800
did uapx say about that

3113
01:49:36,149 --> 01:49:34,800
you know and that's that's that's that's

3114
01:49:37,669 --> 01:49:36,159
the statement

3115
01:49:39,030 --> 01:49:37,679
that i want people to have you know

3116
01:49:39,830 --> 01:49:39,040
that's why i have people like kevin

3117
01:49:41,669 --> 01:49:39,840
knits

3118
01:49:43,030 --> 01:49:41,679
who can you th on our staff you know

3119
01:49:46,070 --> 01:49:43,040
this guy's a brilliant

3120
01:49:46,870 --> 01:49:46,080
phd a brilliant scientist does a lot of

3121
01:49:49,350 --> 01:49:46,880
side work

3122
01:49:50,149 --> 01:49:49,360
a lot of he does a lot of lectures on uh

3123
01:49:53,270 --> 01:49:50,159
you know

3124
01:49:56,149 --> 01:49:53,280
how interstellar travel works how

3125
01:49:57,669 --> 01:49:56,159
you know the possibilities of life and

3126
01:49:59,589 --> 01:49:57,679
you know things like that and

3127
01:50:01,350 --> 01:49:59,599
you know i've been had the privilege of

3128
01:50:04,310 --> 01:50:01,360
having him

3129
01:50:05,910 --> 01:50:04,320
people like chris altman uh david mason

3130
01:50:07,669 --> 01:50:05,920
tell you what every every time i get

3131
01:50:09,830 --> 01:50:07,679
into a meeting with these guys

3132
01:50:11,270 --> 01:50:09,840
and you know i'm telling him the things

3133
01:50:13,510 --> 01:50:11,280
that we're going to be doing

3134
01:50:15,189 --> 01:50:13,520
and they're giving me feedback and we're

3135
01:50:16,310 --> 01:50:15,199
trying to make these plans and stuff

3136
01:50:18,229 --> 01:50:16,320
like that

3137
01:50:21,589 --> 01:50:18,239
it's like after the meetings i always

3138
01:50:21,599 --> 01:50:25,990
listen to me

3139
01:50:30,149 --> 01:50:27,990
i mean these guys it's just so amazing

3140
01:50:34,310 --> 01:50:30,159
to have a team like this so it's uh

3141
01:50:35,990 --> 01:50:34,320
you know i i really

3142
01:50:38,470 --> 01:50:36,000
well the one thing i can guarantee

3143
01:50:40,149 --> 01:50:38,480
everybody right now is no matter what my

3144
01:50:43,510 --> 01:50:40,159
team is no matter what

3145
01:50:44,790 --> 01:50:43,520
the group ends up this company's never

3146
01:50:46,790 --> 01:50:44,800
going to go away

3147
01:50:48,709 --> 01:50:46,800
i don't care if we end up just a cracker

3148
01:50:49,589 --> 01:50:48,719
jack company just you know walking out

3149
01:50:51,430 --> 01:50:49,599
with a camera

3150
01:50:52,709 --> 01:50:51,440
every every weekend trying to figure out

3151
01:50:54,229 --> 01:50:52,719
exactly what's going on

3152
01:50:56,550 --> 01:50:54,239
we're going to continue i'm going to

3153
01:50:58,470 --> 01:50:56,560
keep you know for every person i lose i

3154
01:51:01,830 --> 01:50:58,480
will recruit another person

3155
01:51:07,270 --> 01:51:01,840
and my team is very valuable to me

3156
01:51:10,950 --> 01:51:07,280
i consider everybody on my team to be

3157
01:51:13,109 --> 01:51:10,960
not quite family yet but

3158
01:51:14,470 --> 01:51:13,119
you know i'm responsible for these

3159
01:51:18,390 --> 01:51:14,480
people and

3160
01:51:20,470 --> 01:51:18,400
i want to grow a community

3161
01:51:22,070 --> 01:51:20,480
now i'm going to reach out to other

3162
01:51:24,550 --> 01:51:22,080
organizations

3163
01:51:26,390 --> 01:51:24,560
um i don't see any competitors in this

3164
01:51:28,149 --> 01:51:26,400
field i only see other people that are

3165
01:51:31,270 --> 01:51:28,159
helping with the research

3166
01:51:33,750 --> 01:51:31,280
um kind of like i saw a uh

3167
01:51:35,510 --> 01:51:33,760
a facebook meme that you know you can't

3168
01:51:39,189 --> 01:51:35,520
beat me because i hope you win

3169
01:51:41,109 --> 01:51:39,199
you know and you know i i i thought it

3170
01:51:41,750 --> 01:51:41,119
was very profound and i really enjoyed

3171
01:51:45,189 --> 01:51:41,760
it so

3172
01:51:47,189 --> 01:51:45,199
you know i invite formerly anybody

3173
01:51:49,990 --> 01:51:47,199
that has an organization that is a

3174
01:51:53,109 --> 01:51:50,000
scientist that has any interest in this

3175
01:51:55,669 --> 01:51:53,119
you know even if you can't be a direct

3176
01:51:57,350 --> 01:51:55,679
part of our company uh you know we're

3177
01:51:59,430 --> 01:51:57,360
gonna need people to

3178
01:52:02,310 --> 01:51:59,440
proof our work we're gonna need people

3179
01:52:04,310 --> 01:52:02,320
to you know uh

3180
01:52:06,310 --> 01:52:04,320
when when when our scientists actually

3181
01:52:08,310 --> 01:52:06,320
write papers on our on

3182
01:52:09,990 --> 01:52:08,320
on whatever data we find you know we're

3183
01:52:10,470 --> 01:52:10,000
going to need people to replicate that

3184
01:52:13,589 --> 01:52:10,480
data

3185
01:52:16,310 --> 01:52:13,599
so you know i invite the entire world

3186
01:52:18,709 --> 01:52:16,320
and the community to

3187
01:52:21,030 --> 01:52:18,719
utilize us you know because once we're

3188
01:52:22,470 --> 01:52:21,040
done with everything that we do

3189
01:52:24,310 --> 01:52:22,480
everything is going to be public we're

3190
01:52:25,510 --> 01:52:24,320
going to give out all of the information

3191
01:52:29,030 --> 01:52:25,520
we're not going to hold back

3192
01:52:30,310 --> 01:52:29,040
anything and

3193
01:52:32,070 --> 01:52:30,320
there may be a period of time that

3194
01:52:33,510 --> 01:52:32,080
you're going to have to wait for it

3195
01:52:35,270 --> 01:52:33,520
but once you get it there isn't going to

3196
01:52:37,109 --> 01:52:35,280
be this at noon

3197
01:52:38,470 --> 01:52:37,119
i'm going to drop something that's going

3198
01:52:40,149 --> 01:52:38,480
to blow your mind

3199
01:52:41,750 --> 01:52:40,159
no it's going to be like i'm sorry guys

3200
01:52:42,390 --> 01:52:41,760
it took us so long to go through this

3201
01:52:45,270 --> 01:52:42,400
billion

3202
01:52:46,550 --> 01:52:45,280
hours of data but this is the good stuff

3203
01:52:50,950 --> 01:52:46,560
now here's the bad

3204
01:52:54,629 --> 01:52:53,030
yeah we're going to be that boring and i

3205
01:52:56,310 --> 01:52:54,639
i hope that people can at least find

3206
01:52:57,430 --> 01:52:56,320
that refreshing that the only thing

3207
01:52:57,990 --> 01:52:57,440
they're going to have to wait for is at

3208
01:53:01,109 --> 01:52:58,000
least us

3209
01:53:03,910 --> 01:53:01,119
to go through the data something

3210
01:53:05,510 --> 01:53:03,920
something i'd like to add to that um on

3211
01:53:08,229 --> 01:53:05,520
the personal side of this

3212
01:53:09,669 --> 01:53:08,239
the whole you know that there are other

3213
01:53:11,350 --> 01:53:09,679
organizations out there that are

3214
01:53:14,070 --> 01:53:11,360
collecting data currently

3215
01:53:14,709 --> 01:53:14,080
and i think um again we need to we need

3216
01:53:18,310 --> 01:53:14,719
to set our

3217
01:53:20,229 --> 01:53:18,320
our our pride aside and we've all got to

3218
01:53:21,430 --> 01:53:20,239
you know because it you could be

3219
01:53:23,030 --> 01:53:21,440
collecting one thing i could be

3220
01:53:25,030 --> 01:53:23,040
collecting another

3221
01:53:26,550 --> 01:53:25,040
but we're not sharing that information

3222
01:53:28,390 --> 01:53:26,560
you know yeah that's what

3223
01:53:29,990 --> 01:53:28,400
that's where things really need to start

3224
01:53:32,470 --> 01:53:30,000
changing within the community

3225
01:53:33,750 --> 01:53:32,480
is you know you've got people hoarding

3226
01:53:36,870 --> 01:53:33,760
information

3227
01:53:39,510 --> 01:53:36,880
for themselves um and i

3228
01:53:40,390 --> 01:53:39,520
i get it i get it you know some people

3229
01:53:42,790 --> 01:53:40,400
are money driven

3230
01:53:43,750 --> 01:53:42,800
and things are gonna at the end of the

3231
01:53:47,589 --> 01:53:43,760
day

3232
01:53:50,790 --> 01:53:47,599
we've got to work together because

3233
01:53:52,229 --> 01:53:50,800
we're not gonna get that help from

3234
01:53:55,589 --> 01:53:52,239
outside sources

3235
01:53:58,709 --> 01:53:55,599
to really have a true and meaningful

3236
01:54:00,790 --> 01:53:58,719
um opportunity

3237
01:54:03,189 --> 01:54:00,800
if we don't do it together you know and

3238
01:54:06,950 --> 01:54:03,199
that's i think that's something that

3239
01:54:07,990 --> 01:54:06,960
you know again it goes back to pride you

3240
01:54:10,310 --> 01:54:08,000
know you've got to set your

3241
01:54:11,990 --> 01:54:10,320
pride aside at times and say look okay

3242
01:54:13,430 --> 01:54:12,000
here's the information i have

3243
01:54:15,030 --> 01:54:13,440
i think it's going to go good with the

3244
01:54:16,629 --> 01:54:15,040
data that you currently have and we've

3245
01:54:18,870 --> 01:54:16,639
got to be able to

3246
01:54:20,310 --> 01:54:18,880
combine these things together you know

3247
01:54:22,470 --> 01:54:20,320
because we're

3248
01:54:24,950 --> 01:54:22,480
at the end of the day we're all trying

3249
01:54:26,629 --> 01:54:24,960
to reach the same goal

3250
01:54:28,149 --> 01:54:26,639
it's just maybe some of us are taking

3251
01:54:29,109 --> 01:54:28,159
different routes to get there and that's

3252
01:54:31,750 --> 01:54:29,119
okay

3253
01:54:32,470 --> 01:54:31,760
you know and your route may be the

3254
01:54:34,709 --> 01:54:32,480
better route

3255
01:54:36,149 --> 01:54:34,719
and that to me that's okay good you know

3256
01:54:38,709 --> 01:54:36,159
if that's working

3257
01:54:40,149 --> 01:54:38,719
continue making it work and for us we're

3258
01:54:41,589 --> 01:54:40,159
going to continue doing what we do and

3259
01:54:43,830 --> 01:54:41,599
improve ourselves

3260
01:54:44,870 --> 01:54:43,840
so that when you have some information

3261
01:54:47,109 --> 01:54:44,880
that drops

3262
01:54:48,830 --> 01:54:47,119
we've got core you know collaborative

3263
01:54:51,430 --> 01:54:48,840
data that can say hey

3264
01:54:52,390 --> 01:54:51,440
i wholeheartedly agree with what they're

3265
01:54:55,109 --> 01:54:52,400
saying right now

3266
01:54:56,709 --> 01:54:55,119
because here's what i have you know and

3267
01:54:58,790 --> 01:54:56,719
if we can't work together like this

3268
01:55:01,990 --> 01:54:58,800
we're never going to see

3269
01:55:04,229 --> 01:55:02,000
true and meaningful um disclosure

3270
01:55:06,310 --> 01:55:04,239
we're never going to see true meaningful

3271
01:55:11,030 --> 01:55:06,320
information that comes across

3272
01:55:14,310 --> 01:55:11,040
to to to to paint this big broad picture

3273
01:55:16,229 --> 01:55:14,320
so at the end of the day

3274
01:55:17,750 --> 01:55:16,239
you know i'm happy that there are people

3275
01:55:18,470 --> 01:55:17,760
out there that are that are collecting

3276
01:55:21,830 --> 01:55:18,480
data

3277
01:55:22,229 --> 01:55:21,840
currently um but there's gonna come a

3278
01:55:24,229 --> 01:55:22,239
time

3279
01:55:25,589 --> 01:55:24,239
where we've got to share our information

3280
01:55:28,390 --> 01:55:25,599
with each other

3281
01:55:30,709 --> 01:55:28,400
uh you know so i'm gonna put that on the

3282
01:55:33,910 --> 01:55:30,719
table i'm gonna challenge the other

3283
01:55:36,149 --> 01:55:33,920
organizations out there do it

3284
01:55:38,070 --> 01:55:36,159
now with saying that though you know we

3285
01:55:40,149 --> 01:55:38,080
don't expect anybody to share

3286
01:55:41,430 --> 01:55:40,159
anything with us until we have something

3287
01:55:42,950 --> 01:55:41,440
to share with them correct

3288
01:55:45,350 --> 01:55:42,960
you know we we don't want to come at you

3289
01:55:48,390 --> 01:55:45,360
like hey man uh give us what you got

3290
01:55:49,990 --> 01:55:48,400
yes yeah we don't you got anything good

3291
01:55:51,350 --> 01:55:50,000
you know no we're not going to run into

3292
01:55:52,229 --> 01:55:51,360
it and run out there with like

3293
01:55:56,390 --> 01:55:52,239
crackheads

3294
01:55:58,870 --> 01:55:56,400
but uh but

3295
01:56:00,470 --> 01:55:58,880
we will say that you know when we do

3296
01:56:03,990 --> 01:56:00,480
have stuff on the table

3297
01:56:05,109 --> 01:56:04,000
and we do are bringing some bacon in for

3298
01:56:07,750 --> 01:56:05,119
you to eat

3299
01:56:09,990 --> 01:56:07,760
you know please join our table and just

3300
01:56:11,750 --> 01:56:10,000
remember to

3301
01:56:14,070 --> 01:56:11,760
you know is it that you know everybody

3302
01:56:16,709 --> 01:56:14,080
had to bring a dish

3303
01:56:17,350 --> 01:56:16,719
bring the coffee i love it yeah no

3304
01:56:19,669 --> 01:56:17,360
that's

3305
01:56:21,189 --> 01:56:19,679
yeah sorry gary oh uh and then i just

3306
01:56:23,030 --> 01:56:21,199
want to make a special mention

3307
01:56:24,390 --> 01:56:23,040
jason show that that symbol on your

3308
01:56:26,830 --> 01:56:24,400
shirt there real quick

3309
01:56:28,310 --> 01:56:26,840
all right so this is our our uh our new

3310
01:56:30,229 --> 01:56:28,320
trademark and

3311
01:56:31,830 --> 01:56:30,239
i want to thank mary kennedy for for

3312
01:56:34,149 --> 01:56:31,840
coming up with that because

3313
01:56:35,589 --> 01:56:34,159
this poor lady has had to deal with me

3314
01:56:36,149 --> 01:56:35,599
and i'm like look i need something

3315
01:56:37,750 --> 01:56:36,159
simple

3316
01:56:39,589 --> 01:56:37,760
i need something that people can just

3317
01:56:42,229 --> 01:56:39,599
see and understand who it is

3318
01:56:43,830 --> 01:56:42,239
and i need it yesterday and she did it

3319
01:56:47,030 --> 01:56:43,840
completely free of charge

3320
01:56:48,790 --> 01:56:47,040
on her own free time and you know didn't

3321
01:56:50,629 --> 01:56:48,800
didn't charge us a dime for it

3322
01:56:53,189 --> 01:56:50,639
um if you ever want to see any type of

3323
01:56:55,669 --> 01:56:53,199
graphic design or anything like that

3324
01:56:56,229 --> 01:56:55,679
there's a link on our webpage for her um

3325
01:56:58,149 --> 01:56:56,239
but

3326
01:56:59,910 --> 01:56:58,159
yeah i thought the thing looks sharp and

3327
01:57:01,669 --> 01:56:59,920
i love our new design

3328
01:57:03,189 --> 01:57:01,679
so it's it's a i had to say something

3329
01:57:06,550 --> 01:57:03,199
about it

3330
01:57:09,030 --> 01:57:06,560
it looks good yeah go ahead

3331
01:57:11,350 --> 01:57:09,040
oh i was gonna say right after this i'm

3332
01:57:13,510 --> 01:57:11,360
getting matt's [\h__\h] and i'm getting that

3333
01:57:14,950 --> 01:57:13,520
that polo right there that jason's

3334
01:57:17,030 --> 01:57:14,960
rocking for sure

3335
01:57:18,950 --> 01:57:17,040
oh good luck that's limited edition we

3336
01:57:23,510 --> 01:57:18,960
don't have swag yet

3337
01:57:27,109 --> 01:57:24,870
i think i think we might be arraigned

3338
01:57:30,310 --> 01:57:27,119
something for you ryan thank you

3339
01:57:33,350 --> 01:57:30,320
thank you oh well all right guys i

3340
01:57:34,310 --> 01:57:33,360
we have gone way over time i have to

3341
01:57:36,709 --> 01:57:34,320
thank you

3342
01:57:38,709 --> 01:57:36,719
for your patience and for sticking with

3343
01:57:42,149 --> 01:57:38,719
me here um can you each

3344
01:57:44,310 --> 01:57:42,159
give me your um your most immediate

3345
01:57:46,950 --> 01:57:44,320
contact where people can find you

3346
01:57:50,310 --> 01:57:46,960
matthew one more time for us

3347
01:57:53,589 --> 01:57:50,320
uh yeah facebook matthew roberts uap

3348
01:57:55,830 --> 01:57:53,599
at facebook thanks love it gary

3349
01:57:56,870 --> 01:57:55,840
uh you can find me on facebook twitter

3350
01:58:00,709 --> 01:57:56,880
instagram

3351
01:58:02,629 --> 01:58:00,719
uh on facebook though my first page is

3352
01:58:07,430 --> 01:58:02,639
private to only people that i know

3353
01:58:10,470 --> 01:58:07,440
personally um you're welcome ryan

3354
01:58:11,430 --> 01:58:10,480
but uh but you can you can contact me

3355
01:58:13,750 --> 01:58:11,440
via messenger

3356
01:58:16,229 --> 01:58:13,760
you can contact me via twitter i stay

3357
01:58:18,070 --> 01:58:16,239
pretty active on twitter i might go

3358
01:58:19,589 --> 01:58:18,080
dark for a couple of days at a time

3359
01:58:22,470 --> 01:58:19,599
maybe a couple weeks but

3360
01:58:23,910 --> 01:58:22,480
i'll always be back um and then of

3361
01:58:27,430 --> 01:58:23,920
course you got instagram

3362
01:58:30,390 --> 01:58:27,440
and you know uh mewi i'm on mewi also

3363
01:58:31,109 --> 01:58:30,400
and pretty much any format you could

3364
01:58:32,870 --> 01:58:31,119
think of

3365
01:58:34,390 --> 01:58:32,880
i probably have some type of profile

3366
01:58:37,109 --> 01:58:34,400
that i check at least once a week

3367
01:58:39,109 --> 01:58:37,119
um like jason said you know it's very

3368
01:58:42,310 --> 01:58:39,119
important for us to keep

3369
01:58:43,109 --> 01:58:42,320
present and you know be able to engage

3370
01:58:44,950 --> 01:58:43,119
with people

3371
01:58:46,310 --> 01:58:44,960
so that they can actually understand

3372
01:58:48,709 --> 01:58:46,320
what at least

3373
01:58:49,510 --> 01:58:48,719
from you know what little we know you

3374
01:58:50,870 --> 01:58:49,520
know

3375
01:58:52,950 --> 01:58:50,880
so the only thing we really bring to the

3376
01:58:55,109 --> 01:58:52,960
table right now is just our experience

3377
01:58:56,790 --> 01:58:55,119
so we're happy to share that and

3378
01:58:57,910 --> 01:58:56,800
whatever technical knowledge we can

3379
01:58:59,910 --> 01:58:57,920
provide that doesn't

3380
01:59:01,270 --> 01:58:59,920
you know divulge any military secrets

3381
01:59:03,589 --> 01:59:01,280
you know so

3382
01:59:05,030 --> 01:59:03,599
i won't tell you how you can build a

3383
01:59:07,589 --> 01:59:05,040
spyware bravo radar

3384
01:59:09,270 --> 01:59:07,599
but i'll tell you it can do some cool

3385
01:59:11,990 --> 01:59:09,280
stuff

3386
01:59:13,830 --> 01:59:12,000
so fair enough brother thank you and

3387
01:59:15,990 --> 01:59:13,840
jason where can we find you man

3388
01:59:17,830 --> 01:59:16,000
uh you can catch me on twitter i'm i've

3389
01:59:19,830 --> 01:59:17,840
become a little more active on there

3390
01:59:22,629 --> 01:59:19,840
over the past couple of weeks that uh

3391
01:59:24,390 --> 01:59:22,639
it's at jason turner two the number two

3392
01:59:26,070 --> 01:59:24,400
or uh you can give me if you need to

3393
01:59:28,390 --> 01:59:26,080
email me or anything you have questions

3394
01:59:33,589 --> 01:59:28,400
i want to ask direct questions is jason

3395
01:59:36,310 --> 01:59:33,599
or turner at uap expedition.org

3396
01:59:37,270 --> 01:59:36,320
awesome well i'm gonna leave it at that

3397
01:59:40,070 --> 01:59:37,280
guys um

3398
01:59:40,870 --> 01:59:40,080
i can be found at somewhere skies on

3399
01:59:44,390 --> 01:59:40,880
twitter

3400
01:59:46,470 --> 01:59:44,400
somewhere in the skies.com uh but

3401
01:59:48,870 --> 01:59:46,480
first and foremost thank you for your

3402
01:59:50,550 --> 01:59:48,880
service thank you for having the courage

3403
01:59:52,229 --> 01:59:50,560
to come forward i know it couldn't have

3404
01:59:54,550 --> 01:59:52,239
been easy for any of you guys

3405
01:59:55,430 --> 01:59:54,560
it's not easy for us civilians even but

3406
01:59:58,310 --> 01:59:55,440
let alone

3407
02:00:00,149 --> 01:59:58,320
uh former navy servicemen i have to

3408
02:00:01,830 --> 02:00:00,159
thank you for everything you've done

3409
02:00:03,990 --> 02:00:01,840
on what you will continue to do and

3410
02:00:06,149 --> 02:00:04,000
trying to find answers to all of this

3411
02:00:07,750 --> 02:00:06,159
and you know i always say we may take

3412
02:00:10,950 --> 02:00:07,760
different paths but we're all

3413
02:00:13,830 --> 02:00:10,960
trying to find the same destination so

3414
02:00:15,030 --> 02:00:13,840
i think you guys are on different but

3415
02:00:16,709 --> 02:00:15,040
the right path

3416
02:00:19,189 --> 02:00:16,719
and that's what's most exciting about

3417
02:00:21,390 --> 02:00:19,199
this and uh thank you so

3418
02:00:24,830 --> 02:00:21,400
so much for joining me at this special

3419
02:01:04,020 --> 02:00:24,840
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